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Susan W. - May 21, 2015 5:59:52 pm PDT #6291 of 7329
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

I've been rewriting that scene in my head all week. If they really wanted to keep close to the book plot but with Sansa in the book character's place, I would've found it more believable as something she didn't just walk into with Baelish's encouragement. I found it A) too contrived that a player as well-connected as Baelish wouldn't know Ramsay is a sadistic sociopath, and B) unbelievable that Sansa would need to go straight to Winterfell and marry a Bolton to try to reclaim the North instead of making straight for Stannis's army or any number of families with fond memories of her family who would support her in claiming the Stark inheritance. If they'd made her try to do one of those things and be CAPTURED by the Boltons, the plot would make more sense to me.

Or they could've actually had her join up with Stannis or the Mormonts or whoever and claim Winterfell that way. I'm not saying it would have to be a happy, easy thing--this is GoT, after all. What we got on screen was both appalling AND made no sense in terms of story logic.


Wolfram - May 22, 2015 10:16:27 am PDT #6292 of 7329
Visilurking

I was initially defensive of the choice earlier in the week, but I think that was partially-fueled by reluctance to criticize what has been an outstanding television show until now. But I have to agree with all the criticism here and with you Susan - having Ramsay rape Sansa was appalling and made no sense.

GRRM has always treated the Starks with a certain level of respect while bringing the PAIN to them. Even with Bran's maiming, Eddard's beheading, the Red Wedding murders, etc. they were betrayed and murdered, but never really demeaned. Arguably, the worst thing GRRM did to Sansa in the books was kill her direwolf, severing that special bond the rest of them have with their wolves. (That's one thing I wish they'd highlight more in the show.) After the initial being betrothed to the monster Joffrey ended in his death, she lucks out with Tyrion who treats her amazingly well, and then goes on the run with Littlefinger. Sure things are precarious for her, but she's never violated. Same goes for Jon, Arya, Bran and the little one (memfault).

So raping her on the show, for all the talk of merging storylines and whatever, is just Wrong. It's not how GRRM treated the Starks and it doesn't sit right with me.


Hil R. - May 22, 2015 10:59:47 am PDT #6293 of 7329
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

the little one (memfault)

Rickon.


quester - May 22, 2015 5:59:32 pm PDT #6294 of 7329
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

Speaking of Rickon, wasn't he supposed to be in the town near the wall that got destroyed by the Wildings last season? Isn't that where he went with Sosha or whatever her name is?


Hil R. - May 22, 2015 6:02:30 pm PDT #6295 of 7329
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

No, that was a different town.


DavidS - May 22, 2015 6:56:51 pm PDT #6296 of 7329
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

-t - May 24, 2015 6:12:36 pm PDT #6297 of 7329
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Ghost!

More wolves please.


sumi - May 24, 2015 6:49:08 pm PDT #6298 of 7329
Art Crawl!!!

Why was Ghost there and not with Jon?

Also whoa-Cersei is getting her comeuppance sooner than I thought she would.


-t - May 24, 2015 7:15:34 pm PDT #6299 of 7329
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Wolves don't like to sail? Dunno. We haven't seen him in a long time and I don't remember if there was a reason for that, either.


kat perez - May 25, 2015 7:34:40 am PDT #6300 of 7329
"We have trust issues." Mylar

In the books at least, Ghost was having to range farther and farther afield to hunt because of the winter and the increased population around the Wall with all the Wildlings moving in, so John and Co. didn't see him as much. Don't know if that's the same reason in the TV show, but it makes sense. Good thing he picked just that moment to come back and save Sam and Gilly.

I can't remember, in the TV show is John a warg, too, or not yet? Because maybe he was John-in-Ghost when Ghost came back to protect Sam.

I am all in for the Tyrion and Dany show. Yes. Also, Lady Olenna and Littlefinger continue to be delightfully devious schemers.

Theon? The actual worst.