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-t - May 12, 2014 4:40:16 am PDT #5838 of 7329
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Good one.


DebetEsse - May 12, 2014 9:36:01 am PDT #5839 of 7329
Woe to the fucking wicked.

So, that was a completely Stark-less episode. First one, I think.

I hope Tywin or someone threatened Shae. That was cold.

Given that she's in KL at all, I think it's safe to assume that her safety is...severly limited and contingent on her compliance.

I do like Oberon. His conversation with Varys was very interesting.

From both Oberyn and Varys's ends. Oberyn is made of 100% sass and unimpressed by everyone, which I kind of love. Varys's look to the Throne was interesting, not least because, despite having fingers in as many pies as Littlefinger (Of course his little birds can get into Mereen. Be serious, Tywin, they're already there), but he doesn't seem to have any identifiable angle.

Oh, and Theon! God, that was so painful, and nerve-wracking. Rmasey is insane.

Yeah. I did have the thought that Theon should not been making eye contact with Ramsay, which he kept doing.

Angry Tyrion is pretty fucking hard core.

As someone on FB said, "Can we please give Peter Dinklage his Emmy now?"

Was that Mark Gatiss (Mycroft Holmes) as the Iron Banker?

I offered my traditional greeting of "Hi, Mark!" (the same one I used when he showed up on...Being Human, I think?). He seems to have found a niche with menacing powerful bureaucrats.

And can I just say that I loved the set design on that scene, as well as that names were not given for any of the Bankers. It's not about individuals, it's about the power of the institution.

A couple of weeks ago, my brother was making Davos's point about the lack of seasoned leaders floating around Westeros. Also (Big fucking spoiler): Davos's speech about "what happens when Tywin is gone" was another of those "DUDE! SPOILERS!" moments I've been having a lot this season.

It was interesting that they chose to keep the three storylines self-contained rather than cutting back and forth between the three monarchs.

(Three plus Theon) I liked it. There weren't really any parallels between the plotlines to be emphasized by cross-cutting, so let each do their thing. It also made it easier to follow. I suppose you could make an argument for doing a cut from Dany having audience exhaustion to Tywin, which, taken with Davos's speech about how he is the one holding shit together, could bring out a theme about "ruling," but I don't think this is the ep to do it. This one, like it says on the tin, is more about laws, rules, and justice.

Interesting choice of casting on the Mereenese nobleman, using an actor of color (which I found to be worth noting since there are weird and uncomfortable racial dynamics going on in Dany's storylines). I thought he did a nice job in that scene. What do you bet a lot of burt goat skeletons start showing up now?

I like that Jaime got actual actions to take, even if they ultimately went nowhere. He had a spine for a bit there, and then got played, like always (props to the writers and Charles Dance for the inclusion and delivery of "a suitable wife" and "named Lannister"). As contrasted with Margaery and Loras, who had to do all their acting in reaction shots (one of which, at least, seemed rather incomprehensible). Cersei, as well, I suppose, but the whole thing was her play.


-t - May 12, 2014 9:47:01 am PDT #5840 of 7329
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

one of which, at least, seemed rather incomprehensible

What was that?


Jessica - May 12, 2014 9:51:41 am PDT #5841 of 7329
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

(props to the writers and Charles Dance for the inclusion and delivery of "a suitable wife" and "named Lannister")

Loved that bit. Oh Jaime/Cersei, your secret love is so very very non-secret.

The other thing this ep did really well was showing (without telling!) how much power and influence Cersei still has, and that despite recent appearances, she's not entirely stupid.


Theodosia - May 12, 2014 10:00:02 am PDT #5842 of 7329
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Remember that Shae has begged Tyrion numerous times to get away from Westeros, so there may be an element of cutting her losses, no matter how much she loved him.


Hil R. - May 12, 2014 10:21:08 am PDT #5843 of 7329
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

I thought there were a few times during the trial when the camera cut to Margaery and Loras for a reaction shot and I had no idea what I was supposed to be seeing. Can't remember any of them specifically right now. Might rewatch later.


Theodosia - May 12, 2014 10:57:48 am PDT #5844 of 7329
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Margaery at least believes Tyrion is innocent.


Amy - May 12, 2014 11:03:04 am PDT #5845 of 7329
Because books.

I thought one of Maergery's reactions seemed to be horror, as in not knowing exactly how bad Joffrey was. I thought she was reacting to Tyrion, but I could be wrong. I'd have to rewatch, too.

Loras's expression didn't change much, I thought.


DebetEsse - May 12, 2014 11:07:21 am PDT #5846 of 7329
Woe to the fucking wicked.

What was that?

The first, maybe? I recall specifically that there was a cut to the Tyrells after Tyrion said something, and not only was there no reason for them to be having a particular reaction to the line, they didn't seem to react at all.

In short, I am Hil.

Margaery at least believes Tyrion is innocent.

Yes, there were some reactions that were definitely getting at this.

I thought one of Maergery's reactions seemed to be horror, as in not knowing exactly how bad Joffrey was.

And this. I hope they pay it off in her arc, in some way.

Loras's expression didn't change much, I thought.

Not really at all, no.


Amy - May 12, 2014 11:25:43 am PDT #5847 of 7329
Because books.

Margaery at least believes Tyrion is innocent.

Olenna more or less told her as much, didn't she? Although I guess she didn't go into detail about how the murder was accomplished.