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DebetEsse - Apr 23, 2014 2:00:52 pm PDT #5724 of 7329
Woe to the fucking wicked.

her previous statements about being as capable to rule as Jaime, and that she was resentful she didn't have a direct place in line.

I think this is definitely her perception of herself. The extent to which it is true...I think not so much.

Why doesn't SHE kill Tyrion herself if she really does see herself as a possible leader?

Leaders don't do the dirty work themselves. For all that she is profoundly cruel, I don't know that she has the stomach for actual violence (Joffrey got his cruelty from his mother and his stomach from his father). Unless there's something I'm missing, she hasn't actually killed anyone, right? The only one I can remotely think of is Robert's unborn child.

her upcoming marriage (is that still on the table)

I'd lay a lot of money that it is.


Jessica - Apr 23, 2014 3:30:12 pm PDT #5725 of 7329
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I know I can't actually defend Cersei, but I don't dislike her. I mean, she is a terrible, terrible person, but I don't see how anyone raised in her position could have turned out otherwise, and I really do believe she's doing the best she can.

It's incredibly hypocritical of Tywin to want to separate Tommen from her because of Joffrey - if Joffrey is Cersei's fault, then Cersei is Tywin's. Look at the three children he raised to adulthood and tell me Tommen is better off with him.


§ ita § - Apr 23, 2014 3:35:13 pm PDT #5726 of 7329
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

He wouldn't be the first grandfather to think he could do it right the next time.

Or is that just my father?


DebetEsse - Apr 23, 2014 3:38:47 pm PDT #5727 of 7329
Woe to the fucking wicked.

I know I can't actually defend Cersei, but I don't dislike her. I mean, she is a terrible, terrible person, but I don't see how anyone raised in her position could have turned out otherwise, and I really do believe she's doing the best she can.

Totally legit. We can't always help which characters we like. There are relatively few properly defensible characters, and nearly everyone is a product of their environment, quite explicitly.

It's incredibly hypocritical of Tywin to want to separate Tommen from her because of Joffrey - if Joffrey is Cersei's fault, then Cersei is Tywin's. Look at the three children he raised to adulthood and tell me Tommen is better off with him.

Tywin is the smartest idiot in Westeros, especially when it comes to his own family. He has one child with the drive to grow up to be him, and one with the brains to do it, and he could give a fuck about either of them.


Sean K - Apr 23, 2014 3:44:30 pm PDT #5728 of 7329
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Tywin is the smartest idiot in Westeros, especially when it comes to his own family.

Love this.


Amy - Apr 23, 2014 3:56:14 pm PDT #5729 of 7329
Because books.

It's incredibly hypocritical of Tywin to want to separate Tommen from her because of Joffrey - if Joffrey is Cersei's fault, then Cersei is Tywin's. Look at the three children he raised to adulthood and tell me Tommen is better off with him.

I don't know -- neither Cersei, Jaime, or Tyrion are completely insane or relentlessly sadistic.

I don't know that Tommen will be better off with Tywin, either, but I do think Tywin means Cersei to feel that she's being punished.


Amy - Apr 27, 2014 5:13:48 pm PDT #5730 of 7329
Because books.

I guess winter really is coming.

In other news, Brienne breaks every piece of my heart.


DebetEsse - Apr 27, 2014 5:57:28 pm PDT #5731 of 7329
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Brienne breaks every piece of my heart

Mah giiiiirl. Gods, that was lovely.

Props to the show people for the Cersei-Jaime scene. That was the follow-up I was hoping for.

The Margaery/Tommen scene! That was a great addition/spin.

Locke made me say, "Oh, shit. Oh, shitshitshit," a lot.

During the Jaime-Tyrion scene, when Jaime made the comment about breaking him out, I said," Ummm, spoilers? "

NEW INFORMATION! THINGS WHAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN! (Everything north of The Wall)


Amy - Apr 27, 2014 6:16:55 pm PDT #5732 of 7329
Because books.

Margaery! YES. She really is as good as her grandmother thinks she is. Also, I KNEW Olenna had something to do with Joffrey's death!

Sunday is such a bittersweet day, because it's all, "Game of Thones!" and then, "But that means we're one episode closer to the end of the season."


DebetEsse - Apr 27, 2014 6:31:51 pm PDT #5733 of 7329
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Also, I KNEW Olenna had something to do with Joffrey's death!

If you go back and watch the wedding, you can see the whole thing play out.

Margaery! YES. She really is as good as her grandmother thinks she is.

I think it's interesting that she was so horrified that her grandmother would do that.

I still wonder if Tywin was in on it.