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Jessica - Apr 22, 2014 6:51:26 am PDT #5709 of 7329
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I think maybe the show wasn't as big a deal at that point? I honestly don't know.


§ ita § - Apr 22, 2014 6:58:21 am PDT #5710 of 7329
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I feel like HBO's done a great job of making it a big deal from the start (says a non-reader, or at least one who *tried* and failed during the first book). But it's definitely a bigger deal now.

I doubt many people will stop watching because of it, and who knows--the noise may attract new viewers.

Not my co-worker, though. He doesn't watch TV, and was trying to tell me about a show popular amongst his friends "Something about a chair?" It was quite endearing coming from a hip (but not ster) thirtysomething.


le nubian - Apr 22, 2014 6:59:46 am PDT #5711 of 7329
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Is it recency why this seems to have a bigger response than Khal/Dany

Rape culture 101 I think. Audience LIKES Jamie and don't want to think this character could do something like that.

Of course the savage man would do that on his wedding night.


§ ita § - Apr 22, 2014 7:10:10 am PDT #5712 of 7329
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I thought Amanda Marcotte's take on the episode was exactly on point: [link]

Having finally read it, I think it's absolutely not. I don't think you can flatly diagnose assholishness of people because they enjoyed seeing a despised character get narrative comeuppance (he's not effectively a child), and "it puts you in a position to do exactly what you just spent the last hour judging others over" is nothing if not an exaggeration. For a start, we haven't done anything or been reacting to real people, as they all have, in universe.

“You are all terrible people, sitting there on your couch, enjoying the sight of a child dying a painful death.”

Yeah, no.


tommyrot - Apr 22, 2014 7:58:00 am PDT #5713 of 7329
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

“You are all terrible people, sitting there on your couch, enjoying the sight of a child dying a painful death.”

That bugged me too. I wasn't enjoying his death; I was transfixed, thinking what a terrible way to die that would be. Based on limited experience, choking/not being able to breath is a very terrifying feeling.


§ ita § - Apr 22, 2014 8:25:53 am PDT #5714 of 7329
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm glad he's dead, and I do wonder if maybe he should have suffered more for the things he did (jesus, those prostitutes), but there's some distance between that and being a cheering throng at a gladiatorial throwdown between slaves, or something.


le nubian - Apr 22, 2014 10:25:53 am PDT #5715 of 7329
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Marcotte and I part ways on a whole host of things. I used to really like and respond well to her writing. Since pandagon fell, not so much.


§ ita § - Apr 22, 2014 11:23:02 am PDT #5716 of 7329
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Since pandagon fell

This is what?


le nubian - Apr 22, 2014 4:33:38 pm PDT #5717 of 7329
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

that was her old site: pandagon.net she had with another main co-author. They blogged about 1-2x a day between them. Good posts back in the day.

They forgot to renew the domain name, so a squatter took it and wanted to charge them $10K to get it back.


Sean K - Apr 23, 2014 1:22:21 pm PDT #5718 of 7329
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Marcotte was and is one of my gateways into feminism, so I'm still a fan. And you know, if the piece didn't speak to you or your reaction to the episode, then it didn't. I didn't feel like it was telling me I should feel bad about feeling good about Joffrey's death. I don't know, maybe I should go back and read it again.

As for Pandagon, I miss Jesse Taylor (one of the other bloggers from Pandagon) as a blogger, frankly. I don't know if he's writing anywhere any more, but if he was, I'd love to read his stuff again.