Zoe: First rule of battle, little one. Don't ever let 'em know where you are. Mal: Whoo-hoo! I'm right here! I'm right here! You want some of me? Yeah, you do! Come on! Come on! Aaah! Whoo-hoo! Zoe: Of course, there are other schools of thought...

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Jessica - Apr 08, 2013 10:47:34 am PDT #4894 of 7329
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Maybe I'll give it a shot once that storyline is over. (And I figure out how to download from HBOGO.)


kat perez - Apr 08, 2013 12:31:51 pm PDT #4895 of 7329
"We have trust issues." Mylar

Margery Tyrell + crossbow forever. It would've been great if she'd gotten him to let her hold it while it was loaded and then shot him in the head with it. Oops, I guess I could kill something after all. But really, she's just aces in my book. And I love that she dresses, according to Cersei, like an old school hoochie mama.

The Theon torture scenes were really disturbing. I had to look away.


Amy - Apr 08, 2013 12:45:30 pm PDT #4896 of 7329
Because books.

I couldn't figure out what they were doing, and then I realized I really didn't want to know.

I almost pity Cersei, but I can't quite get there. She raised this kid to be a monster, and now he's out of the cage and she has zero control over him. And his contempt, to boot.


Sean K - Apr 08, 2013 12:47:02 pm PDT #4897 of 7329
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Speaking of Theon, does anybody else think the guy who promised to help free him is actually Ramsey Snow ?


Sean K - Apr 08, 2013 12:49:17 pm PDT #4898 of 7329
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

I still can't quite sympathize with Cersei either, but Lena Heady deserves much credit for coming very, very close to making Cersei.... Something.


erin_obscure - Apr 08, 2013 1:13:51 pm PDT #4899 of 7329
Occasionally I’m callous and strange

Sean, I think he has to be, since that pivotal character Theon's being turned into was never introduced, so there's gotta be another way to get to there.


Jessica - Apr 08, 2013 1:51:15 pm PDT #4900 of 7329
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I do and don't sympathize with Cersei. On the one hand, almost everything that happens to her is her own damn fault. On the other hand, she was dealt an incredibly difficult hand, and it's not like the rest of her family are exactly paragons of mental health and handling things well either.

I also saw a lot of ugly sexism in the Cersei-hate that came out after the last book, which gets my hackles up and makes me want to defend her.


§ ita § - Apr 08, 2013 1:59:54 pm PDT #4901 of 7329
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think that having your brother's children is a symptom of damage that was caused to you, but at some point you're grown, and that point is before that baby was made.


Sean K - Apr 08, 2013 2:04:03 pm PDT #4902 of 7329
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Indeed. I really don't know what to say to people who get the screaming heebie jeebies at the mere thought of a vagina. Except that in this case, they're clearly reading a different set of books than I am, since, of Cersei's many vile character traits, having a vagina is not one of them. Nor are her negative traits at all universal among the vagina-having population of Westeros, so proclaiming her gender the source of her nastiness is flawed reasoning at best.


Sean K - Apr 08, 2013 2:05:59 pm PDT #4903 of 7329
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

I think that having your brother's children is a symptom of damage that was caused to you, but at some point you're grown, and that point is before that baby was made.

You know, I would think that by this time in the history of Westeros, "The Targaryens did it" would be Warning Sign Number One for Bat Shit Crazy.