Inara: So. Would you like to lecture me on the wickedness of my ways? Book: I brought you some supper, but if you'd prefer a lecture, I've a few very catchy ones prepped. Sin and hellfire... one has lepers.

'Serenity'


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Sean K - Apr 08, 2013 2:05:59 pm PDT #4903 of 7329
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

I think that having your brother's children is a symptom of damage that was caused to you, but at some point you're grown, and that point is before that baby was made.

You know, I would think that by this time in the history of Westeros, "The Targaryens did it" would be Warning Sign Number One for Bat Shit Crazy.


-t - Apr 08, 2013 2:12:52 pm PDT #4904 of 7329
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

But that's how you get to rule Westeros! Being bonkers. And having dragons. You probably need both.


DebetEsse - Apr 08, 2013 2:40:08 pm PDT #4905 of 7329
Woe to the fucking wicked.

I'm going with the dragons being more relevant.


Jessica - Apr 08, 2013 2:45:06 pm PDT #4906 of 7329
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Ha - I don't even count the incest (and subsequent incest-kids) among Cersei's sins, which just shows how low the bar for moral behavior is in Westeros.

Nor are her negative traits at all universal among the vagina-having population of Westeros, so proclaiming her gender the source of her nastiness is flawed reasoning at best.

Well, I never saw anyone explicitly say "I hate Cersei more than Vargo Hoat because of her vagina." But there was [book 5 spoilers] such glee over the fallout from the thing with the Septon. People were rejoicing in a really disgusting way that I did not see with any male character in similar circumstances.


Amy - Apr 08, 2013 2:52:26 pm PDT #4907 of 7329
Because books.

I don't even count the incest (and subsequent incest-kids) among Cersei's sins, which just shows how low the bar for moral behavior is in Westeros.

This. And I do hate her being villainized simply because she's a woman -- not at all the point, people, hello. And the past two episodes made it look like she at least knows she could have made different choices, even if it's too late for her now.


kat perez - Apr 08, 2013 3:10:02 pm PDT #4908 of 7329
"We have trust issues." Mylar

I have a lot of sympathy for Cersei. She's a not very nice person in a world populated with that and more. She's not nearly as good at playing the game of thrones as she thinks she is, but she's a scrapper. Her kid is a little shit and this little world probably would've been much better off if he'd been the one flung from a Winterfell window rather than Bran, but I at least can understand the choices she's made in her life, even if those choices are terrible.


DebetEsse - Apr 08, 2013 3:32:07 pm PDT #4909 of 7329
Woe to the fucking wicked.

It would have made so much sense for her and Tyrion to be allies, since both of them were not the heirs their father wanted (not that Jaime really was, either), and both of them want to be him (more or less). A unified Team Lannister might well have been nigh-unstoppable.

I say this despite how much I love both Tyrion and Jaime's arcs, which, from what I can tell, are basically "screw Team Lannister" (Thematic spoilers for things not yet fully underway on the show)


Theodosia - Apr 08, 2013 3:40:31 pm PDT #4910 of 7329
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Getting Shae as her handmaiden may be the best favor anyone has done for Sansa in the entire series so far.


Theodosia - Apr 08, 2013 3:42:38 pm PDT #4911 of 7329
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Abby, in a sense both Cersei and Mama Stark have the same fault -- if they could have overcome their expected roles and learned to love a relative, how much better things would have turned out for them.


Jessica - Apr 08, 2013 3:48:50 pm PDT #4912 of 7329
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I'd say Cersei's base flaw is that she pretty much hates everyone she knows who isn't Jaime or her kids. She is never motivated to turn an enemy into an ally (say, by being nice to anyone, ever) because she hates them all so very, very, very much. And because of this, she assumes everyone hates her too, and treats them accordingly.

Tyrion's not much better on the people skills when you think of it - he has one trick, and that's talking people out of killing him long enough to throw money at them. Podrick is the only character I can think of on Team Tyrion who isn't being paid to be his friend.