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erikaj - May 02, 2011 5:37:47 am PDT #3409 of 7329
Always Anti-fascist!

I had the same thought, but I couldn't place him. I will probably watch it again, though, so I can blog about it(obsession is srs business) Poor Toni...off on another body hunt. She may come to look upon getting Davis out of scrapes rather fondly. Did not know Mrs. Antoine 2.0 taught school.


sumi - May 02, 2011 6:00:20 am PDT #3410 of 7329
Art Crawl!!!

Neither did I!

But that is another good POV to have about the recovery.


erikaj - May 02, 2011 6:28:50 am PDT #3411 of 7329
Always Anti-fascist!

There are so many people, and actively introducing them seems to bring on hives over at Blown Deadline, that I'm not sure if they ever told us that before, and I forgot, or if Simon's pissed about public employees getting screwed and gave us a schoolteacher. Yeah, I think it's a good development.ETA: I am so arrogant...telling writers worth ten of me where to start their shit. I was in a magazine once, you know. But the opener *was* heavier than usual.


sumi - May 02, 2011 6:45:22 am PDT #3412 of 7329
Art Crawl!!!

GoT - back to the Winter is Coming conversation:

"the Starks are always right eventually"


§ ita § - May 02, 2011 6:31:17 pm PDT #3413 of 7329
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Dany's marriage night on the show--definite rape. In the books, do you think GRRM meant to convey consent issues?


erin_obscure - May 02, 2011 9:30:57 pm PDT #3414 of 7329
Occasionally I’m callous and strange

In the book she wasn't unwilling...just scared. And the willingness was a matter of expectation - she always knew that her primary role in life was to bear royal children. To whoever her brother married her to (or to him, as per their family history.) So "consent" is fuzzy in an environment where girls are property, married off for political reasons, and expected to bear their husbands children as quickly and frequently as possible. Dunno if it was in the TV show, but in the books Viserys makes some comment to her about how he could give her to every male in the kalasar if he felt like it, she should be glad she was only being sold to the Khal himself. I don't imagine a woman raised with those sort of expectations would ever consider refusing.

eta: perhaps also worth noting that in the book she is 13 when married, so everything that happens to her is rape in our sense. The actress looks young and innocent, but not THAT young.


Theodosia - May 03, 2011 1:48:34 am PDT #3415 of 7329
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

What erin said. And the line about giving her to every male in the khalasar and their horses was in the show, too. In the mindsets of both Daenerys and Drogo, what happened wasn't rape. Doesn't mean we shouldn't be repelled....

Loved the Tyrion and Jon Snow Show, and kind of wish we got the kind of story where they have wacky adventures together. (Notes to self that the slogan is Winter is Coming, not Wackiness Ensues.)


§ ita § - May 03, 2011 5:41:32 am PDT #3416 of 7329
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

What are the ages on the show? I'm pretty sure Jon Snow is older than I read him, and it's confusing. A lot of my conclusions about Dany also hinge on her age, and I just can't tell.


sumi - May 03, 2011 7:15:50 am PDT #3417 of 7329
Art Crawl!!!

Yeah, they aged up all the kids.

Dany is probably at least 2 or 3 years older than she was in the book - in the book she finds out she is pregnant on her 14th birthday. I think she is at least 16 in the show.

Arya was 10, Bran was 8 - Jon and Robb were 14 or 15.


erin_obscure - May 03, 2011 11:58:41 am PDT #3418 of 7329
Occasionally I’m callous and strange

At the very beginning of the first book Jon and Robb are the same age -14, Sana 11, Arya 9, Bran 7, and Rickon 3. I'm not surprised they have all been aged up - working with child actors is challenging, and the situations that the older children get put into kinda requires that they be played by legal adults. I was reading that book knowing a tv show was coming thinking that there was NO WAY Rickon could stay that young. A 3 year old on set having to say scripted lines? Good luck. Arya couldn't be aged too much, she still has to be clearly pre-pubescent.