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§ ita § - Apr 26, 2011 7:29:16 am PDT #3369 of 7329
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

We haven't seen Tyrion do anything bad or even regrettable yet. No doubt that'll change, because it seems that's how they roll, but of all the adults so far he seems the most clear-headed, and the most genuinely interested in the wellbeing of anyone not related to him or not able to give him power.

Comfort of knowing you are, have been, and always been on the outside, while having a measure of privilege anyway, I'd guess.


Amy - Apr 26, 2011 7:36:58 am PDT #3370 of 7329
Because books.

Tyrion is definitely my favorite character, although I do like Ned, too. And Arya! She's a hardcore little thing. I'm interested in how Dany is going to evolve, but I'm not sure I *like* her yet.

so far he seems the most clear-headed

Tyrion is definitely a realist, and I appreciate that he's clear about his measure of privilege.

I'm irritated by Sansa, simply because she seems as one-note as Cersei so far. Joffrey, on the other hand, is delicious to loathe.


§ ita § - Apr 26, 2011 7:40:21 am PDT #3371 of 7329
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I can't help but love Arya, which makes me think something is going to go terribly terribly wrong.

Sansa, I kinda buy. She doesn't want to live in the ugliness she lives in, and she buys into the romance of Joffrey. And he's a right two-faced git, who can certainly make it easy. I'd like to think that his getting Lady killed will turn her head in the right direction. But I bet she was the least attached of all the kids to their wolves.


sumi - Apr 26, 2011 7:41:39 am PDT #3372 of 7329
Art Crawl!!!

Why do you think that Tyrion hates Jaime?


§ ita § - Apr 26, 2011 7:47:38 am PDT #3373 of 7329
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Because of the hostility and disdain he's shown him so far.


le nubian - Apr 26, 2011 8:04:36 am PDT #3374 of 7329
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Man throws cousin out of window over a GOT dispute:

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§ ita § - Apr 26, 2011 8:06:45 am PDT #3375 of 7329
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Will he get HBO where he's going?


sumi - Apr 26, 2011 8:07:34 am PDT #3376 of 7329
Art Crawl!!!

He should have thought of that before.


erin_obscure - Apr 26, 2011 12:27:21 pm PDT #3377 of 7329
Occasionally I’m callous and strange

Bonny- there's not another wolf killing scene in the book so far (and i'm on #4). There is, however, plenty of gore and dismemberment to come. The entire series is, after all, about power play and feudal war.

Lady's death is brutal, but also a pivotal scene for many reasons: it removes a huge symbol of Sansa's protection, rendering her more helpless to being used by the Lannisters; becomes a frequent callback for Arya in ways that would be spoilerish to discuss; and gives Ned a clearcut, obvious reason to loathe Cersei's manipulations. Plus it shows the reader/viewer early on just how loathesome she is.

All this said with the caveat that i haven't seen the show yet, only read the books.

I'm rather appalled to hear that Dany's wedding night is made into a rape scene. In the books she is clearly terrified, but willingly submits as her duty. It takes months of submission before she comes to love him and participate equally. Making that into a rape....well, it's going to sorely undermind her emotional development with Drago that leads her to take later, pivotal actions. Hrm.

eta: i'm actually on the third book, not the fourth


§ ita § - Apr 26, 2011 12:46:23 pm PDT #3378 of 7329
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

We need to make sure we're all careful about what we discuss from book knowledge here. Dany's soul-crushing love is news to me, for instance.