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Hayden - May 29, 2008 5:54:59 pm PDT #1811 of 7329
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

It seemed initially that he was in with the Greek and his crew, so why'd he make a huge drug bust?

Remember when the Columbians tried to screw the Greeks on the money? The Greeks decided to cut their losses and reward Koutros (wasn't that his name?) with the bust, so he looks good to his bosses and they get the Columbians back.

I mean, why does no one suspect what's actually going on, that they're purposely hanging back to lull them into a false sense of security?

These guys are so far back from the street that they're not used to scrutiny.


Polter-Cow - May 29, 2008 6:31:55 pm PDT #1812 of 7329
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Remember when the Columbians tried to screw the Greeks on the money?

I'm...not sure. Refresh my memory?

The Greeks decided to cut their losses and reward Koutros (wasn't that his name?) with the bust, so he looks good to his bosses and they get the Columbians back.

They get them back by busting their drug shipment?

These guys are so far back from the street that they're not used to scrutiny.

Amateurs.


Hayden - May 29, 2008 7:08:21 pm PDT #1813 of 7329
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

Refresh my memory?

Just a comment when Vondas and the Greek are talking. The Columbians pay less than the agreed price for the drugs in that specific can. So, when they need to reward Koutros and want to send a message to the Columbians that they won't be fucked with, they give Koutros the can.

Amateurs

You just wait, Mister.


Hayden - May 30, 2008 7:05:17 am PDT #1814 of 7329
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

I watched the final episode again last night. It still lacks the punch of the penultimate one, but man, both of the montages remain moments of unspeakable beauty and power.


erikaj - May 30, 2008 9:12:43 am PDT #1815 of 7329
Always Anti-fascist!

yes, it was a beautiful thing.


Scrappy - May 30, 2008 10:44:36 am PDT #1816 of 7329
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Nice interview with Idris Elba. [link]


Polter-Cow - May 30, 2008 8:09:53 pm PDT #1817 of 7329
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Just finished the second season.

2.10: Man, Ziggy's arc culminated in going nuts and killing someone?? Shit, dude. That was fucked up. Also, I love how the show is all, "LOOK AT THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY CALLED TEXT MESSAGING." Oh, 2003.

Brother Wossname (I will not try to spell it) is somewhat of a badass in his own bowtie way, but he feels kind of unreal and comical. When he talks, he doesn't sound like a real person like every other person on the show does.

Sweet Jesus, Valchek is a fucking ass, and Prez is awesome for clocking him.

God, the FBI screws up everything! While helping.

2.11: Raids!! And oh my God, Beadie sure has come a long way. Tailing a suspect! GETTING IN THE ELEVATOR WITH HIM HA HA HA. Adorable. And, as I do, I totally threw my hands in the air when The Greek WALKED RIGHT BY KIMA.

(Unrelatedly: Nick fucking cheated on his girlfriend with that random girl! (I know she wasn't a random girl, but I don't remember when we'd seen her before.) What the hell? Why does everyone cheat? And the show doesn't even care, either; it's not like it's this big plot point. It's just there, like it's something he did, whatever. Gah.)

Omar! Stringer totally played Omar! And Omar won't stand for that shit.

Man, I was really feeling for Frank Sobotka. I mean, I never loved him like I loved D'Angelo, but he was a good guy doing some bad shit. Like he said to Beadie, he was doing wrong things for what he thought were the right reasons.

And then FUCKING KUTRIS had to get him killed. Gaaaaaah. STUPID CONFIDENTIAL COMPUTER ALERT THING.

2.12: Man, Bubbles didn't get shit to do this season, did he? I mean, good thing he was around, but this right here was basically the only important scene for him.

I can't believe no one called Herc and Carver about Nick Sobotka. That was kind of shitty. Granted, they were doing a shitty job of detail this whole fucking season (they might have actually CAUGHT Spiros if they'd been paying some fucking attention rather than fighting over fries), but still. Sometimes they were being too whiny, but sometimes their complaints were valid. And I'm surprised they didn't steal any money this time.

Holy shit, Lance Reddick has a hot body.

While the case didn't end up closing as awesomely as it could have, as Daniels noted, I think it had a somewhat more victorious ending than the Barksdale case. They cleared their 14 goddamn murders, and they got the people they had on the charges they actually wanted. Spiros and The Greek got away, but hey. Also: The Greek isn't even Greek??? That's some J.J. Abrams shit right there.

I loved the foreshadowing for next season!! McNulty has a case for Daniels's new unit! Stringer and Prop Joe, West Side and East Side, cats and dogs! And Beadie looks forlornly at the detail trailer! Please bring her on the team!

Overall, it was a good season. I think my preconceptions may have clouded my judgment since I was looking for reasons why so many people have said it's the worst season, but I really can't judge until I see the other three seasons to compare. Obviously, with the first season focusing so much on the Barksdale crew, getting us so familiar with those characters, it's a little disappointing to have them pushed into the background in their own little tangential plotline, barely even evident to Our Heroes. And while I eventually cared about Frank and Nick Sobotka (fuck you, Zig), I never really cared about the GREAT AND WONDERFUL UNION and their GLORIOUS SHIPYARDS, Frank's constant flowery speeches notwithstanding. (One exception: I did like his bit about the fact that America used to build stuff, and now it just sticks its hand in someone else's pocket.) I never really understood all the union politics, so I wasn't drawn into that aspect. Although I was pleased to see that Frank got his Grainary thing, whatever the hell that was.

There was also the part where we had to wait and wait for the detail to get put together. It was certainly realistic, and it was interesting in its own way, but it's also a little frustrating to watch (continued...)


Polter-Cow - May 30, 2008 8:09:58 pm PDT #1818 of 7329
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

( continues...) because you know they have to get the characters working together again and you want them to do it sooner rather than later. Thankfully, it looks like the writers anticipated this and gave Daniels his own unit so we don't have to deal with that in the future.

I'm excited about season 3. I hear it is excellent.


Hayden - May 30, 2008 8:26:49 pm PDT #1819 of 7329
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

I know she wasn't a random girl

She was the girl from the fake paternity suit Zig got in the bar. "She's Having My Baby," remember?

Glad you dug the season. I think Frank Sobatka is one of the great dramatic tragic figures, myself.


erikaj - May 30, 2008 8:54:11 pm PDT #1820 of 7329
Always Anti-fascist!

Makes me cry every time. But then again, Sobatkas are my heritage, essentially(not to get all Jungian and shit) but in a strange way neither the tragic figure thing nor the "collective unconscious" thing ever made much sense to me until Frank...is that just unbearably pretentious? Well, whether it is or not, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.Chris Bauer, invisible Emmy...let me give you it. And I can't think about season 2 without thinking of my tragic fucking letters and phone calls:

Dear HBO:

Hi, it's me again. My life sucks, "we" lost the election and my dog died. Please, oh, please, don't take my show, too.

Maybe it sounded better in my Educated Whitegirl Voice, which I use so seldom, and which, in a small way, reminds me of HRC, just because, in my EWV, I say things I don't say, like" Thank you so much." Even as a begging ass bitch, I come with a plan. I made up some BS netflix figures and everything. Jimmy would have been proud. It could not have been easy for Prez at home after that Valchek-clocking; that was his FIL. OTOH, my dad is a total ass and I could imagine that my spouse would often have the urge to punch him in the face, so maybe Mrs. Prez wouldn't fault him too much.