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Hayden - May 30, 2008 8:26:49 pm PDT #1819 of 7329
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

I know she wasn't a random girl

She was the girl from the fake paternity suit Zig got in the bar. "She's Having My Baby," remember?

Glad you dug the season. I think Frank Sobatka is one of the great dramatic tragic figures, myself.


erikaj - May 30, 2008 8:54:11 pm PDT #1820 of 7329
Always Anti-fascist!

Makes me cry every time. But then again, Sobatkas are my heritage, essentially(not to get all Jungian and shit) but in a strange way neither the tragic figure thing nor the "collective unconscious" thing ever made much sense to me until Frank...is that just unbearably pretentious? Well, whether it is or not, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.Chris Bauer, invisible Emmy...let me give you it. And I can't think about season 2 without thinking of my tragic fucking letters and phone calls:

Dear HBO:

Hi, it's me again. My life sucks, "we" lost the election and my dog died. Please, oh, please, don't take my show, too.

Maybe it sounded better in my Educated Whitegirl Voice, which I use so seldom, and which, in a small way, reminds me of HRC, just because, in my EWV, I say things I don't say, like" Thank you so much." Even as a begging ass bitch, I come with a plan. I made up some BS netflix figures and everything. Jimmy would have been proud. It could not have been easy for Prez at home after that Valchek-clocking; that was his FIL. OTOH, my dad is a total ass and I could imagine that my spouse would often have the urge to punch him in the face, so maybe Mrs. Prez wouldn't fault him too much.


Polter-Cow - May 30, 2008 8:57:10 pm PDT #1821 of 7329
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

She was the girl from the fake paternity suit Zig got in the bar. "She's Having My Baby," remember?

Oooh, right. We never saw her, right? But I think I recognize the name now.

I think Frank Sobatka is one of the great dramatic tragic figures, myself.

He does have that about him.


Polter-Cow - Jun 02, 2008 10:20:51 pm PDT #1822 of 7329
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Watched the first two episodes of S3 tonight.

Man, there are so many fucking new characters I can't keep track of them all. And Cheese isn't new, but I still can't recognize him.

I love that the one dude is reading Robert's Rules of Order. Ha ha. And Stringer's running his meetings like...actual meetings.

It's interesting how the series began with Avon Barksdale as the supposed Major Villain/Target, but it's actually become more about Stringer.

They're shaking up the narrative structure here, throwing us in way after they've already had the wire running. Wonder what this means for the rest of the season.

I don't understand the new territory wars. I know the towers are down, but weren't they sharing that with the East Side before? And now the East Side won't share their territory with the Barksdale crew? Asses.

I knew that out-of-jail dude was going to get ripped off. Come on now, man. You've been out of the game, but seriously.

The scene with Omar disguising himself as a paraplegic veteran was AWESOME. Unrelatedly, also awesome: the scene at the movie theatre.

I can't keep track of all the bodies! We're not even seeing them all! Who killed that one dude? He was wearing a hoodie. I thought it was the out-of-jail dude getting revenge, but he didn't seem like he'd just killed someone in his later scenes. Plus, "Woof" made no sense. And then I thought it was Cheese, but the facial hair doesn't match. Even though if it was about the dogfight, then the "Woof" would make sense. Although I didn't get what happened with the dogfight, either. There was a handkerchief on the floor? Did they cover the other dog in chloroform or something? And, if so, why would Cheese kill his own dog because he thought he punked him? Also, that whole deal was kind of hilarious, if completely fucking sad and stupid that they blew the wire.

LT. DANIELS AND RONNIE PEARLMAN WTF?? Where the fuck did that come from? Also, YOU HAVE A WIFE AND HAVE GENERALLY DISPLAYED INTEGRITY WTF. Why the hell are all the men on this show cheaters, seriously? Sometimes I want to punch this show in the face.

And why the hell did he have his own apartment? Did I miss an episode in between where he left his wife or something?

Kima too! EVEN THE WOMEN CAN'T STAY FAITHFUL. Although at least that one is not unexpected and has been a long time coming. She hasn't been happy in that relationship for yonks; I keep waiting for them to just break up. Her girlfriend is such a wet blanket.


Hayden - Jun 03, 2008 6:57:03 am PDT #1823 of 7329
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

And why the hell did he have his own apartment? Did I miss an episode in between where he left his wife or something?

You didn't catch that he's been sleeping in the spare room since the Coldest Dinner On Film?

Cheese isn't new, but I still can't recognize him.

Cheese is pretty new. He's played by Method Man of the Wu-Tang Clan, which always helped me to be aware of him.

The scene with Omar disguising himself as a paraplegic veteran was AWESOME.

But the important question is whether you can give us directions to the Poe Home.

Even though if it was about the dogfight, then the "Woof" would make sense.

It was Cheese's buddy from the dogfight who shot the other guy. The guy he shot was doping his dog (handkerchief on the floor), which led to Cheese shooting his own dog because the general thought is that a dog that loses has lost his ability to win. You should watch the great Warren Oates film Cockfighter sometime. It'll not only clear up the subtleties of competitive animal fights, but it's a brilliantly minimalist movie that rises far above its reprehensible subject matter.


erikaj - Jun 03, 2008 9:59:57 am PDT #1824 of 7329
Always Anti-fascist!

Mr. and Mrs. Daniels have been in-name-onlying it for some time so that she could run for city council with a dress-blues husband on her arm. Cedric feels like he owes her... I thought they had that convo in season 2. Well, maybe it's still coming up, then. I think the Job takes its toll on marriages, and besides, fidelity, while admirable as fuck in real life, would probably make for boring TV.(Also, David Simon's all "Third time's the charm," with Lippman so I'm guessing he writes what he knows. Just one woman's terminally-single opinion, though.) Maybe I'm corrupted, but I don't hold the running around against them that much. It was sad about Kima and Cheryl for sure, but if it hadn't happened, I think Kima would be Kima Sue, maybe without the singing voice and talking to animals and shit.


Polter-Cow - Jun 03, 2008 10:14:26 am PDT #1825 of 7329
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Mr. and Mrs. Daniels have been in-name-onlying it for some time so that she could run for city council with a dress-blues husband on her arm. Cedric feels like he owes her...I thought they had that convo in season 2.

No, that was the first episode this season. And I did get the impression that their relationship was a little troubled, but I thought it was just a natural thing.

I think Kima would be Kima Sue, maybe without the singing voice and talking to animals and shit.

Kima hasn't been Kima Sue for me since she beat the shit out of that one kid during the raid on the Pit. So far, the only character on the show that is relatively untainted and clean is Lester. I will be sad when that inevitably changes.


erikaj - Jun 03, 2008 10:38:22 am PDT #1826 of 7329
Always Anti-fascist!

Personally, nothing could taint Lester for me.(Although, yeah, some of his choices do become less clearly righteous.) And I couldn't imagine Prez cheating on Mrs. Prez(although maybe he fooled me with that choirboy face.) But maybe, as a shameless McNutty apologist, I'm the wrong woman to have that conversation. "Yes...no. Maybe," cracked me up.(I'm not sure why. In real life, I think I'd want Elena to kick his ass.But there's something about the way DW can say something lame, and make it seem that he knows it's lame, that gets my sympathy every time. Or maybe I'm just a sucker for the smirk.)


Polter-Cow - Jun 03, 2008 10:41:30 am PDT #1827 of 7329
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

We haven't even seen Mrs. Prez, have we? And I have to keep disassociating Prez from his earlier fuck-up days because he's a good kid now, even though he still doesn't get much respect.


erikaj - Jun 03, 2008 10:54:00 am PDT #1828 of 7329
Always Anti-fascist!

Marriage is an Institution, right? Well, this is the Wire...institutions chew up good people and spit 'em out. Well, that's my take on the show's sinking 'ship rate.