I know. I mean, holy fuck. It's like getting Judi Dench.

Another BSG irritation: How can Tigh be a Cylon when he fought in the 1st Cylon War (i.e. before there were skin jobs)?

Up thread, someone linked to 20 Questions with Ron Moore. IN that thread, Moore says they have an explanation for that. Of course, he does not elaborate.

I guess I also have trouble with 4 up until now humans suddenly just "knowing " that they are Cylons. What does that mean?

I guess I also have trouble with 4 up until now humans suddenly just "knowing " that they are Cylons. What does that mean?

Despite my problems with other aspects of the plot, I don't have a problem with that, strangely enough. Seems that in sleeper Cylon psychology, knowing something you've hidden is as easy as being triggered. I know that I've forgotten something about my own life (nothing major, just that I used to know someone or had already done X task) and suddenly known it as undoubtably true when triggered.

Actually, Corwood, you bring up a good point. There are some members of my family that have "recovered memories". While I completely believe them, I have always struggled with the idea that at one time you don't know something and then suddenly you do. Perhaps that is where my issue is rooted.

What does that mean?

In the ep, Tyrol said it was like a switch going off -- I don't know that it can be compared to a real-life human experience (which is why I'm glad they didn't go into too much detail about it).

Tigh being a Cylon just means the skinjobs have been around longer than Colonial humans assumed. (Or he didn't really fight in the first Cylon war and those are implanted memories, but then we'd have to explain why Adama never noticed that Tigh's military records didn't go back that far. Occam suggests previous human assumptions about the Cylon timeline are wrong.)

I assumed that whatever kept them from knowing they were Cylons was removed by the music (or the removal was heralded/accompanied by the musis, it makes no nevermind to me which) and now they know, not that they are deducing.

Pretty much what Corwood said, I guess.

I need to know more about the switch. Does that mean they were not acting as Cylons at all until they were triggered? That all their former behavior and action can be considered as ironic in light of their current condition, but not considered as indicative of any Cylon tendencies?

What about with Boomer? That was a specific action, not a sudden knowledge, like these?

Boomer was doing stuff in blackouts long before she consciously realized she was a Cylon. So it doesn't seem to have been the same kind of switch that was activated.

I'm still suspecting that Cylon models are born, not manufactured. Sort of like waiting for Devon Rex or Manx or polydactyl cats to be mutated accidentally out of normal cat parents. (Well, as 'normal' as cats get.)

The five models--weren't they the first five models, or is that just my mind making things up? For some reason, I keep thinking that they were version 1.0 of the Humlons, which would make sense if Tigh (especially) was in the first Cylon war.

Tyrol's beating of Cally in S2 could have been a bit of Cylon programming leaking through in the form of the dreams.

RDM has said that the five are fundamentally different than the other skinjobs, so next season might be an exploration of their differences and similarities.

They can't be the first five models because D'Anna Biers is/was a three. Assuming that they are numbered as they are made. Perhaps the numbers have nothing to do with chronology.