A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.
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I think Joss ruined TV for me...or at least raised my expectations. Because it always seemed like there was one little clue thrown out there and then 15 episodes or 2 seasons later we found out what it meant.
But (and I love him above all other TV royalty) his complete list of titles and honors reads: His Royal Highness The Prince Joss, Prince of Misdirect and Earl of Retcon, Duke of Dropped Threads, Baron of Changed Minds and Prince and Great Steward of Handwaving.
Yeah. I assume people feel frustrated because their questions aren't being answered? But I think a lot of the unanswered questions in fandom... aren't. I don't mean this as grumpily as it sounds, but it's a good example: I don't understand why there's any question about who wrote the note. There's never been any indication that it's supposed to be a big mystery, so I've never doubted that it was Baltar. And I see other stuff like that going on in various places. It's like nobody wants to get caught falling for a trick, so there's a demand for things to be triple-sourced when stories just don't work that way.
I agree, Strega -- both with your example and the larger point. I think that's why I don't even remember things like that there was a note. It happens a lot in
Veronica Mars
discussions. Because that is a mystery show though, I understand it, more. So often one piddly thing does matter, that people (and I'm not immune where VM is concerned) feel a letdown when their pet piddly things don't amount to more.
For me it comes down to, Galactica has generally played fair. We generally know slightly more than the characters, and things they know aren't kept secret solely to create mystery. The only exception I can think of is the "what happened between Starbuck and Lee" subplot, which, whatever.
I think BSG has played very fair, particularly considering how complex the story is.
The Cylons have a plan, as we're told every single episode. And yet, during seasons 2 and 3, events tended to show the contrary, with Six and Eight proposing the occupation, and Three continuously dying to try and figure out who the Final Five are. Now we find out that four of the five (if not all) were leaders in the Resistance. What if that is not a coincidence, and they were rebelling b/c they were programmed to resist any deviance from The Plan?
I don't think having a plan is always the same as having a detailed to-do list. It seems to me part of their plan involves producing Human/Cylon hybrids. They had that whole baby factory on post-apocalyptic Caprica, and they're obsessed with Hera. Part of their plan seems to involve getting to earth. I always see Lee's relationship with Bill as an avatar of the Cylons' relationship with humanity.
Part of their plan seems to involve subjugating the human race -- to what end, I can't yet guess. And now that it looks like Chief, Tigh, Anders and Tory are Cylons -- I'm not sure we know which Cylons have a plan. For all we know, it could be the Toasters who have the plan -- not any of the skin jobs.
::stands in Daisy Jane's corner::
He truly is an individual nearly bereft of conscience
I disagree. We've seen plenty of evidence of his conscience. It's just not as powerful as his fear.
Or his self-interest. It really seems only the guilt-component of the conscience is working (to me).
I loved the rock music at the end, especially because of the interplay with the sitar. I think I could have done without the actual singing of the song (for the scene, at least, although I suppose it was necessary to put all the pieces together), but the music was great. I also liked all the funky camera work.
Rewatching the finale, I noticed that Tyrol said, "There's got to be some way out of here," and Anders said, "There's too much confusion," before the Big Reveal. Pretty cool.
I've got the music stuck in my head.
Because that is a mystery show though, I understand it, more. So often one piddly thing does matter, that people (and I'm not immune where VM is concerned) feel a letdown when their pet piddly things don't amount to more.
Spy pen!
just meant that I was glad not to be the only one in the hated it corner (and that lisah is welcome in my corner anytime).
SWEET! Although the other corner is very pretty and smart too!
I'm on record as thinking it was cracktastic, somewhere between silly and amazing, and it broke my internal scale, because the sheer insanity and audacity has stuck with me for a couple of days now. I think I'm going to rewatch the final two episodes over and re-assess.
I think I'm going to rewatch the final two episodes over and re-assess.
As someone on record as thinking the finale was awesome, I highly recommend this course of action.
I want to re-watch the whole series with this new information in mind. . . and heck, we have the time to do it. (Although, my season 1 dvds are still out on loan. . . I really should buy a second copy.)
I don't think having a plan is always the same as having a detailed to-do list.
Agreed, and that's not what I was trying to say.
It seems to me part of their plan involves producing t.Human/Cylon hybrids. They had that whole baby factory on post-apocalyptic Caprica, and they're obsessed with Hera.
Also agreed. Not to mention Chief/Cally and Leoben's attempts to get copulate-y with Starbuck.
Part of their plan seems to involve getting to earth.
Agreed, and my point about the Resistance still holds. The Cylons occupying New Caprica seemed to be forgetting or setting aside the "search for Earth" goal, unless they meant to force all the humans to come with them eventually.
eta - So they are diverging from the "get to earth" plan so the rebels rebel to get back on that track. I'm sure there's a more elegant way to say that, but it escapes me right now.
I always see Lee's relationship with Bill as an avatar of the Cylons' relationship with humanity.
Children disagreeing with their parents? Hmm, this is intriguing. Please to share more.
Part of their plan seems to involve subjugating the human race -- to what end, I can't yet guess.
I suppose it could be as simple as revenge.
And now that it looks like Chief, Tigh, Anders and Tory are Cylons -- I'm not sure we know which Cylons have a plan. For all we know, it could be the Toasters who have the plan -- not any of the skin jobs.
This is also part of my point about unreliable narrators.
Oh, it's so much fun to discuss here! ::sigh::
If it was the original Toasters who had the plan, given that the skinjobs have re-programmed them to have no ability of independent thought - I guess that original plan is lost.
I guess that original plan is lost.
Then the opening credits should reflect that. "They used to have a plan!" or something. To me it just seems like a lie now and a broken promise.
If it was the original Toasters who had the plan, given that the skinjobs have re-programmed them to have no ability of independent thought - I guess that original plan is lost.
Ok, this? Cracks me up in a HHGTG kind of way. Humans make the cylons, cylons decide they're going to overthrow the humans so they make a plan make skin jobs, who then decide
they're
the ones with the plan and to overthrow the humans, so they wipeout what the cylons were originally attempting and try to make cylon/human thingies.
Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
