I think Joss ruined TV for me...or at least raised my expectations.

I know this is true.

It confuses me, what with the having kids and everything.

Tyrol and Sharon both have kids. Somehow, though, half-Cylon babies bother me less than having Lee and Zach turn out to be hybrids too.

I'll be mad if Bill Adama is a Cylon

I've been seeing variations on this statement all over fandom -- "I'll be mad if ____ is a Cylon," and I honestly don't get it. Maybe because the ever-present specialness of humanity is one of my major sci-fi pet peeves, but I love the idea of taking all the most "human" characters and having them turn out to be killer robots from outer space. If fucking with "what it means to be Cylon" also means fucking with "what it means to be human" then I'm for it 100%.

I was cheering out loud when Tigh's response to being a Cylon was "My name is Saul Tigh and I am a Colonel in the Colonial Fleet. Whatever else I am, that's the man I want to be." That being a human/being a Cylon doesn't have to automatically assign you to one side or the other - that your identity remains intact regardless of your biological origins.

I guess that would mean 6 told him?

In the miniseries - "There are twelve models. I'm number six."

I never thought Baltar knew.

Oh. Well, that's a good reason for you to wonder, then!

But yes. Six introduces herself in the miniseries by saying, "There are 12 models. I'm number 6." And then, the scene before Adama gets the note consists of Baltar fretting about how there could be Cylons hidden in the fleet.

Yeah. I assume people feel frustrated because their questions aren't being answered?

I'm frustrated at all the dropped plot points. Why didn't Sharon and Helo flip the fuck out when they discovered that Hera wasn't dead? Why are they now living like a regular family on Galactica when their baby was such a source of contention before? Why aren't the Cylons trying to get Hera? This season started off really strong, but IMO it lost the thread around mid-season. I would have much preferred to see the answers to the above questions than a bunch of one-off eps and the Baltar storyline. I'm still in for next year, but I'm not as in love as I was.

BSG season 3 dvds in August?

That being a human/being a Cylon doesn't have to automatically assign you to one side or the other - that your identity remains intact regardless of your biological origins.

That's Sharon Agathon's legacy versus Boomer's, who chose to fulfull her Cylon programming over her human conditioning.

Tyrol and Sharon both have kids.

True. In my brain, I was going with the idea that there are only 12 models, so it couldn't be Adama because then Lee would have to be an emo hybrid and that would have to count as something.

And then I realized I was totally wrong and should just stop thinking. That said, I'm fairly certain it's not Adama because it would require too much explanation as to how exactly he fathered sons - not that I think the writers are lazy, just that it's a little too convoluted when you factor that in. YMMV, of course.

Why didn't Sharon and Helo flip the fuck out when they discovered that Hera wasn't dead?

A word salad with word dressing and half a word sandwich. I spent most of the first half of the season cackling madly about how well and truly frakked they all were once Sharon found out what had happened to her kid, and...no? Oh, okay then. Thanks for that bit of pointlessness, then.

Why didn't Sharon and Helo flip the fuck out when they discovered that Hera wasn't dead? Why are they now living like a regular family on Galactica when their baby was such a source of contention before? Why aren't the Cylons trying to get Hera?

I thought they did. Athena had Helo shoot her so she could go get Hera. I can't imagine what else they'd do besides live on Galactica. With Three boxed and Six in captivity on Galactica, no one is left who cared enough to come get her.

That's Sharon Agathon's legacy versus Boomer's, who chose to fulfull her Cylon programming over her human conditioning.

I'm not sure I agree with the word 'chose' WRT Boomer. She tried to kill herself and she blew up the base ship, plus she sabotaged the ship while blacked out. Didn't she also express regret for having shot Adama? It seems to me that she fought her programming pretty hard.

Also, see above re: Cylons as unreliable narrators, due to the programming factor. We, and they, never really know when they are exercising free will or not b/c of the plan. Which gets into a whole fate vs. determinism thing. Which is also a debate that could be had about the humans, thanks to the apparent cyclical nature of colonial history.