I've really got to learn to just do the damage and get out of town. It's the 'stay and gloat' that gets me every time.

Ethan Rayne ,'Potential'


Boxed Set, Vol. III: "That Can't Be Good..."  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Daisy Jane - Mar 26, 2007 10:59:15 am PDT #8749 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

I fucking loved that someone finally said that they weren't a damn civilization at this point, and that the Old Laws might not exactly apply anymore, and that they might have to figure out a new way to live in this situation.

Well that, and while you personally can find him morally culpable (though I'm not sure objectively more than anyone else who did what they felt they had to), the question was, was he criminally culpable.


sumi - Mar 26, 2007 11:01:09 am PDT #8750 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

An interview with Ron Moore.


Hayden - Mar 26, 2007 11:05:24 am PDT #8751 of 10001
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

I really liked what Lee said during his speech, but the circumstances surrounding him being on the stand just completely threw me out of the moment. Also, that speech would have sounded more convincing out of Helo's mouth, because Helo is the guy who understands those things, while Lee's never been presented as all that smart before, like, two episodes ago.

And yes, crack and LSD: Four major characters on this mostly realistic space opera each saying one of the first four lines of a great-but-enigmatic pop song from the late 60s while realizing that they are fucking robots and have always been robots and then actually SAYING "We're Cylons and we've always been Cylons." Then a character returns from the dead and then there's this batshit-insane pan-out that takes in several galaxies to fix on our own planet, all in the final 10 minutes of the season. That's on a level far removed from "One Year Later"-crazy. This is wacked-out, hallucinatory madness, and I feel very justified in talking about monkey crack and LSD.

Maybe it's brilliant, too. I certainly haven't thought about much else today, but I can't decide how I feel about it, and that's usually a good sign.


Daisy Jane - Mar 26, 2007 11:15:01 am PDT #8752 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

See. I think it had to be Lee, not only because of the Daddy issues, but because he's not like Helo. These things aren't readily apparent to him, but it was almost like you could see him starting with a nugget of an idea "I feel guilty" and arguing himself into "We are all morally guilty, so we've decided to make Baltar pay for it."

I agree though that the circumstances were jarring. Whenever a judge on a tv show says, "I'd like to hear this" or "I'm going to allow it" my eyes tend to do a little sommersault.


Jessica - Mar 26, 2007 11:20:52 am PDT #8753 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I figure, they just invented their entire legal system essentially from scratch the week before, so they get to bend the rules if it means more Adama Daddy Issues screen time. (The last few eps have totally rekindled my interest in Lee, so I'm willing to handwave quite a bit of how they got there. According to the podcasts, Lee was originally supposed to be Baltar's sole lawyer after they killed off Romo Lampkin, so I'm guessing that his testimony was originally his closing statement.)


JohnSweden - Mar 26, 2007 11:22:38 am PDT #8754 of 10001
I can't even.

What I don't get is that BSG gets ratings that the Sc-Fi channel finds inadequate (or so says the critical analysis). Do we know why?

I have a friend who likes quality SF tv who wasn't watching it because of the cheesy predecessor, even though he had been previously led to water with Buffy, and became a huge Buffy fan. I sat him and his wife down for a random episode of BSG and he said "Oh. I shouldn't have been missing this." I KNOW!


Jessica - Mar 26, 2007 11:25:29 am PDT #8755 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Do we know why?

Spaceship show-->expensive sets and vfx-->needs more viewers than non-spaceship shows in order to achieve "adequate" ratings.


Nutty - Mar 26, 2007 11:28:49 am PDT #8756 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

You know, on the level of cracktastic science fiction televisory hijinks, I think this might turn out to be up there with the second-season Millennium episode that posited a plaguey, horrific ending of the world, while the transmitted images on your television began to degrade.

That was awesomely apocalypsetastic, although the show came back later and waved its hands and said, "No, that wasn't what we meant!!"

To a certain extent, the sheer balls-out silliness of it is what makes it work. The only song I can think of that would work in comparable fashion might be "Helter Skelter," and that's both overused and much more nonsensical, lyrically speaking.

Really, considering that Eric Clapton played a Jesus figure in the movie of Tommy, we should be glad that the crack ended where it did. The mystical hoodoo potential of classic rock is not to be underestimated.

signed,
no, Robert Plant, I don't think you have any idea where Mordor is.


JohnSweden - Mar 26, 2007 11:31:15 am PDT #8757 of 10001
I can't even.

needs more viewers than non-spaceship shows

Ahh, fuckity. Makes sense, but commentators shouldn't be shorthanding that. We got told Buffy was an expensive show to make for the size of the audience too (which didn't surprise me either).

Back to the whole "Radio with faces" problem. Gah.


Topic!Cindy - Mar 26, 2007 11:31:37 am PDT #8758 of 10001
What is even happening?

And yes, crack and LSD: Four major characters on this mostly realistic space opera each saying one of the first four lines of a great-but-enigmatic pop song from the late 60s while realizing that they are fucking robots and have always been robots and then actually SAYING "We're Cylons and we've always been Cylons." Then a character returns from the dead and then there's this batshit-insane pan-out that takes in several galaxies to fix on our own planet, all in the final 10 minutes of the season. That's on a level far removed from "One Year Later"-crazy. This is wacked-out, hallucinatory madness, and I feel very justified in talking about monkey crack and LSD.

Maybe it's brilliant, too. I certainly haven't thought about much else today, but I can't decide how I feel about it, and that's usually a good sign.

Corwood, man. Turn on. Tune in. Drop out.