okay, you made me get up and check Storm Front.

According to the book, Harry says "my claim that I had been attacked first couldn't be contested by my master's corpse, so they put me on a kind of accelerated probation: One strike and I was out"

the other interesting thing about Book!Morgan is that Harry says that he's not very smart, and incapable of independent thought and rationalization, which TV!Morgan seems to be.

okay, you made me get up and check Storm Front.

my evil plan worked!

According to the book, Harry says "my claim that I had been attacked first couldn't be contested by my master's corpse, so they put me on a kind of accelerated probation: One strike and I was out"

So basically what you said before. No evidence either way.

the other interesting thing about Book!Morgan is that Harry says that he's not very smart, and incapable of independent thought and rationalization, which TV!Morgan seems to be.

Which means that, unless this is Harry's personal perception that is wrong, Morgan, for all his law-abide-yness, can be directed and manipulated, so long as he thinks he's still working within the rules.

I think I remember later we learn (possibly Harry's opinion/perception again) that Morgan is burnt out, that he's a good cop who's done his job for so long that he's become somewhat jaded and hard. That even though he does his job to the letter of the law, he's lost some of his humanity, his compassion.

Which means that, unless this is Harry's personal perception that is wrong, Morgan, for all his law-abide-yness, can be directed and manipulated, so long as he thinks he's still working within the rules.

right. Which is unlike TV!Morgan, who says that the council is flexible with the demons. (or whatever, don't make me undelete and check)

I don't know, Corwood. Maybe I'm having trouble with the psychotic beating-as-ice breaker.

Oh, I get that. I don't like it, but I get it and it's part of my problem with Callie. Let me make it clear that I think the Chief isn't a person who would beat a woman without a nervous breakdown, but I think Callie is exactly the kind of girl who would marry the guy who put her in the hospital.

TV!Morgan, who says that the council is flexible with the demons.

I thought what he meant with that is that the Council doesn't really care if demons kill demons, which I think works for both the books and the show, but I don't think the book Council or Morgan would associate with a demon, even if he did have a "pupil" loose and dangerous. That seems like a whole new ballgame in the show.

I think the Council and Morgan of the books would kill the demon and then hunt down and kill his hellions. But it's hard to say, because I don't think the books have ever had a situation presented like this.

That's very true, Corwood.

Damn my pedantic nature

okay, Morgan's exact words were "sometimes allowances are made. even for hellions" which doesn't sound like a demon/demon thing. I think that the council got involved because they were concerned about an uncontrolled hellspawn running around. When Harry talks to Siroda, he says that as long as he had the chain of sin, Matthew's "ability to do harm was limited"

I suspect that the council would get involved if someone was bound against their will, but as long as Matthew did what he did under his own free will, they stay out of it.

I wonder if the Council tolerate Siroda because he's a devil in the classic sense, that he doesn't actually hurt people, just tempts them and makes suggestions, but, yeah, never actually forces their hand.

Huh... just realized this episode was Harry Dresden and the Chain of Sin. I think I'm going to refer to all episodes in that format. :-)

I wonder if the Council tolerate Siroda because he's a devil in the classic sense, that he doesn't actually hurt people, just tempts them and makes suggestions, but, yeah, never actually forces their hand.

Yeah, I could buy that.

I suspect that the council would get involved if someone was bound against their will

I've been thinking about that. Jim Butcher said (somewhere) that Tv-Bob was cursed because he got too powerful and wicked, and the Wardens tethered his ghost to his skull as punishment. That sounds like the Council ordering someone to be bound against their will. If that's so, I don't see how this version of Bob can be reconciled with the Council and the Laws as theya re in the books. Maybe the Laws have been changed for the series?