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Boxed Set, Vol. III: "That Can't Be Good..."  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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Juliebird - Feb 18, 2007 6:12:57 pm PST #6865 of 10001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Zenkitty, (and anyone else) just to help me along, why did you like this Morgan over the book Morgan?

Even barring the books, the interview at scifi.com had him stating that he considered himself a mentor-figure, and he seems of an age with Harry-- even younger, perhaps. I'm still working on my brain with a prybar IRT Morgan, so it may take me a day or so to formulate a coherent opinion of TV!Morgan.


Kalshane - Feb 18, 2007 6:24:58 pm PST #6866 of 10001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

I actually enjoyed this week's Dresden quite a bit. I still think the replacements for Harry's rod and staff look really silly, but an overall enjoyable episode. And Harry getting conked on the head for his over-zealous sense of chivalry is classic Dresden. Interesting story, some great humor, and Harry actually does quite a bit of magic (even if the tracking spell got sort of merged with potion making.)

Morgan is apparently a very different character from the books, but it doesn't bother me too much.

BSG was pretty good, even if it felt very filler-tastic, and I agree the deleted scene was highly amusing.


Kalshane - Feb 18, 2007 6:34:58 pm PST #6867 of 10001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

Book!Morgan would have never helped Harry, even when he said please. Of course, Book!Morgan would have also solved the situation by taking Sarta's (or whatever his name was) head from his shoulders, followed by Matthew's. Well, provided he wasn't too busy trying to prove Harry was the murderer to notice them in the first place.

I could definitely see where the actor got the mentor idea in the interview, as TV!Morgan was definitely trying to lead Harry's thought process along. Which is kind of disappointing. So far TV!Harry hasn't presented himself as the greatest of detectives. Book!Harry tends to have his own share of dumb luck to get through cases, but he can still detect circles around Book!Morgan. So I find it rather annoying that TV!Morgan seems to be a better investigator than TV!Harry. Especially since that's Harry's gig.

TV!Morgan is a more likeable character (though he's hardly warm and fuzzy) than Book!Morgan, but I think I prefer Book!Morgan as a foil for Harry.


Vortex - Feb 18, 2007 6:58:02 pm PST #6868 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I liked that Harry's issue with electronics was used in this episode, but I wish that they had elaborated on it. I'm sure that people who don't know the series think that he cast a specific spell .


sumi - Feb 18, 2007 7:02:27 pm PST #6869 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

I liked that too, but I think you're right. (And if he used incantations in the show like he does in the book, it would clarify matters.)


WindSparrow - Feb 19, 2007 1:09:39 am PST #6870 of 10001
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

Windi, it wasn't light, as such, but there was some funny, and it was ultimately very satisfying.

Also, Bob is a big ol' perv. Of which I approve.

Ok, thanks, this was the info I needed. It sounds like I shall enjoy this episode, but at another time. We settled on an episode of Family Guy.


Zenkitty - Feb 19, 2007 6:35:42 am PST #6871 of 10001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Juliebird, granted I haven't read all the books yet, but so far, BookMorgan seems to hate Harry with an irrational passion. I think he's a nutcase who can't see any reality past what he's already decided is true. Which means he reminds me of someone (issues much?), and I don't like him. TvMorgan seemed more reasonable. His immediate reaction upon finding Harry with the charred corpse wasn't "You must have done this!" but "Why should I think you didn't do this?" which is a lot saner. TvMorgan was relatively easily convinced Harry didn't do it, which means he doesn't have a personal vendetta against him, which is a great relief to me. Also, TvMorgan was willing to go rather out of his way to help out, which made me like him. I can see why the antagonism between them might be there, but it doesn't make me want to beat either of them over the head.

I didn't think Morgan seemed significantly younger than Harry. He carried himself like he had experience. I was glad he didn't feel he had to wave the sword around to back up his authority. I didn't get the sense that he was a better investigator than Harry, or that he was investigating anything beyond his job as a Warden. Harry's the one who brilliantly figured out where the chain was hidden, and came up with the plan to get Matthew free and safe. Left up to Morgan, Matthew would have been given back to the devil.

And I'm starting to like the drumstick and hockey stick. When Murphy walked into the apartment, gun at the ready, and Harry slinked behind her... drumstick at the ready.... ha! It's a little silly, but as Harry said, elegance is overrated!


sumi - Feb 19, 2007 7:45:52 am PST #6872 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Why were the BSG podcasts excessively early the past two weeks and late this week?


Polter-Cow - Feb 19, 2007 8:25:26 am PST #6873 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

BSG was filler-tastic, and the whole Adama plotline annoyed me (Mark Verheiden sure does like giving the Adamas backstories, huh?). I don't like anyone other than Baltar and Six talking to imaginary people, and the whole thing was just making all the subtext of the series text for no apparent reason.

I liked the Adama/Roslin stuff, though. That was cute. And the rescue was pretty cool.


Juliebird - Feb 19, 2007 9:23:27 am PST #6874 of 10001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Granted, Book!Morgan was a raving zealot of a magical law-enforcer, and exageratedly, ridiculously so, but I think what I enjoyed about him was that he was NOT Harry's ally, the tension and hostility and Harry not only has to contend with lying clients, ghosts, demons and mobsters, and a pissed of Murphy & CPD, but the very people who are supposed to have his back. TV! Morgan made me feel a little too comfortable, a little too safe IRT Harry having a safety net.

But more than needing to adjust to the new Morgan, I think what bothers me the most, on rewatch, is how his interactions with Harry change the White/High Council. But I think I just need to get used to it. The book!Council would never have tolerated any association with demons. But I think that showing the Council as morally questionable gives Harry more of the righteous high ground and really gives him a reason to buck the system if he thinks it's corrupt.

I think I just need time, and more episodes!

BSG: Word to the unnecessary textualization of the subtext. Bamber was great the moment Adama started talking about Lee's mom, but the greatness only lasted up until the scenery chewing and the dramatic hand on the wall, the lights glinting off his manly yet wounded-inner child...

Cally needs to have her jaw wired shut, there is apparently no limit to how much she bugs me.

But how excited was I for Roslin to be the one to make the call back to Season One Lee "He knows the difference between right and wrong".

And, was I the only one shouting "kiss her! KISS HER!" at Adama?