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Boxed Set, Vol. III: "That Can't Be Good..."  

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Zenkitty - Feb 19, 2007 6:35:42 am PST #6871 of 10001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Juliebird, granted I haven't read all the books yet, but so far, BookMorgan seems to hate Harry with an irrational passion. I think he's a nutcase who can't see any reality past what he's already decided is true. Which means he reminds me of someone (issues much?), and I don't like him. TvMorgan seemed more reasonable. His immediate reaction upon finding Harry with the charred corpse wasn't "You must have done this!" but "Why should I think you didn't do this?" which is a lot saner. TvMorgan was relatively easily convinced Harry didn't do it, which means he doesn't have a personal vendetta against him, which is a great relief to me. Also, TvMorgan was willing to go rather out of his way to help out, which made me like him. I can see why the antagonism between them might be there, but it doesn't make me want to beat either of them over the head.

I didn't think Morgan seemed significantly younger than Harry. He carried himself like he had experience. I was glad he didn't feel he had to wave the sword around to back up his authority. I didn't get the sense that he was a better investigator than Harry, or that he was investigating anything beyond his job as a Warden. Harry's the one who brilliantly figured out where the chain was hidden, and came up with the plan to get Matthew free and safe. Left up to Morgan, Matthew would have been given back to the devil.

And I'm starting to like the drumstick and hockey stick. When Murphy walked into the apartment, gun at the ready, and Harry slinked behind her... drumstick at the ready.... ha! It's a little silly, but as Harry said, elegance is overrated!


sumi - Feb 19, 2007 7:45:52 am PST #6872 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Why were the BSG podcasts excessively early the past two weeks and late this week?


Polter-Cow - Feb 19, 2007 8:25:26 am PST #6873 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

BSG was filler-tastic, and the whole Adama plotline annoyed me (Mark Verheiden sure does like giving the Adamas backstories, huh?). I don't like anyone other than Baltar and Six talking to imaginary people, and the whole thing was just making all the subtext of the series text for no apparent reason.

I liked the Adama/Roslin stuff, though. That was cute. And the rescue was pretty cool.


Juliebird - Feb 19, 2007 9:23:27 am PST #6874 of 10001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Granted, Book!Morgan was a raving zealot of a magical law-enforcer, and exageratedly, ridiculously so, but I think what I enjoyed about him was that he was NOT Harry's ally, the tension and hostility and Harry not only has to contend with lying clients, ghosts, demons and mobsters, and a pissed of Murphy & CPD, but the very people who are supposed to have his back. TV! Morgan made me feel a little too comfortable, a little too safe IRT Harry having a safety net.

But more than needing to adjust to the new Morgan, I think what bothers me the most, on rewatch, is how his interactions with Harry change the White/High Council. But I think I just need to get used to it. The book!Council would never have tolerated any association with demons. But I think that showing the Council as morally questionable gives Harry more of the righteous high ground and really gives him a reason to buck the system if he thinks it's corrupt.

I think I just need time, and more episodes!

BSG: Word to the unnecessary textualization of the subtext. Bamber was great the moment Adama started talking about Lee's mom, but the greatness only lasted up until the scenery chewing and the dramatic hand on the wall, the lights glinting off his manly yet wounded-inner child...

Cally needs to have her jaw wired shut, there is apparently no limit to how much she bugs me.

But how excited was I for Roslin to be the one to make the call back to Season One Lee "He knows the difference between right and wrong".

And, was I the only one shouting "kiss her! KISS HER!" at Adama?


Zenkitty - Feb 19, 2007 9:37:31 am PST #6875 of 10001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Personally, I see the book White Council as pretty morally corrupt. Perhaps that's just me. I don't think it's entirely realistic that Harry should have powerful enemies everywhere, and no powerful allies, and it makes for a good story when he has to go ask someone he doesn't like much for some help.


Kathy A - Feb 19, 2007 9:46:55 am PST #6876 of 10001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

And, was I the only one shouting "kiss her! KISS HER!" at Adama?

Nope, you weren't. Kathy A "Boxed Set, Vol. III: "That Can't Be Good..."" Feb 18, 2007 8:09:47 pm PST

But, they really can't get together, because Adama is too principled to get it on with the President. He was flirting with the idea (and her) on New Caprica when she was just a teacher talking about building her cabin in the mountains.


Juliebird - Feb 19, 2007 9:49:47 am PST #6877 of 10001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

I think the corruption of the book!Council is something that doesn't come out right away. Corrupt as in the "there's a mole spilling secrets to the enemy" sort of way, and not in the "the whole entire Council is selling out to the vampires and Marcone". I saw them first as stodgy and stuffy and out-dated and maybe a little gray when it came to straight/Muggle affairs, but a bit too rigid and black&white when it came to their own laws.

Eh, but the info on them had come out in so much dribs and drabs and has changed over the course of the books that I'm not sure what my first impression of them was (except for Morgan being waaaay too bloodthirsty IRT Harry).


Juliebird - Feb 19, 2007 9:55:13 am PST #6878 of 10001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

But, they really can't get together, because Adama is too principled to get it on with the President.

No Kathy A, BELIEVE that there is hope! I thought that was part of the point of the ep and their last conversation together, that one of the reasons they were fighting and surviving was so they could love and laugh and have relationships and families. I got the impression that their conversation wasn't over, and that Roslin would continue to visit Galactica, and they'd continue their dance, despite Adama having voiced why they could never be.

*must rewatch*


Zenkitty - Feb 19, 2007 9:59:07 am PST #6879 of 10001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

My first impression of the Book White Council went like this: "Okay, they'll execute Harry for killing his uncle with magic, but where were they when said uncle was trying to enslave the 17-year-old kid Harry was? Leave a kid to fend for himself against a powerful black wizard, and then threaten to kill him and put him under some kind of Doom probation for defending himself? These guys are arrogant hypocritical bastards. When can we kill them?" I get that their only intention is to enforce the 7 Laws of Magic (which they made up), but if protecting kids from evil wizards, when they're the only ones who reasonably CAN, is not in their charter, then they all need to be replaced with actual human beings.

I'm possibly too invested in the welfare of Book Harry.

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Juliebird - Feb 19, 2007 10:05:07 am PST #6880 of 10001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

You know, I don't even know if the Council even acknowledges that Justin was evil. But I see your point. They're actually worse than corrupt or evil, because they're the good people who hide behind their laws and rules so they don't actually have to do anything to protect those who need protecting.

Have you read Proven Guilty yet?

grrrrrr.