Kaylee: So, uh, how come you don't care where you're going? Book: 'Cause how you get there is the worthier part.

'Serenity'


Boxed Set, Vol. III: "That Can't Be Good..."  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


CFerg - Aug 23, 2006 4:04:39 am PDT #671 of 10001

I can't figure it out. Is "hand waving" good or bad - a mixture of both?

I'll let you know the numbers as soon as I hear. I sat down with the director of the episode yesterday and did the audio commentary. We made the fed ex drop so it should be up today.

I'm handing over the magic dictaphone to Jamie and Andy this weekend so they'll be doing the commentary for the next couple of weeks. I think one of the next two weeks is "Calister Rains" - a Stark heavy episode - so I wanted him to be able to talk about it. And I think now Jamie and Andy have a little more time to do the commentary.


Cashmere - Aug 23, 2006 4:13:43 am PDT #672 of 10001
Now tagless for your comfort.

I can't figure it out. Is "hand waving" good or bad - a mixture of both?

Hand waving=good. It means there are some inconsistencies or unexplained plot points that don't matter enough to lessen the enjoyment of the episode. We hand wave those away.

The eps sitting on my DVR waiting for me to finish my coffee so I'm coherent.


§ ita § - Aug 23, 2006 4:35:37 am PDT #673 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

"Pasadena, we have a problem..."

I love that.


DXMachina - Aug 23, 2006 5:17:47 am PDT #674 of 10001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

When I brought it up, I meant it in the sense that there was going to be a whole lot of stuff in it that was going to make absolutely no logical sense if one sat down and thought about it, even a little. Things like the death ray being buried under Main Street when there's all that open land available around the town. That the GD corporation collectively forgot what was down in Fargo's office. That Fargo and Spencer didn't recognize it for what it was. That using the moon as part of a death ray's targeting system means that it will only work when the moon is overhead (twelve hours a day at best). Fortunately, the acting, dialogue, and direction were all good, so one can wave off the illogic of the situation.

I did like the bit about it being the award of the Nobel Peace Prize to Linus Pauling (something that was very controversial in the US scientific community at the time) that was what stunned Thatcher into mental oblivion.


Jessica - Aug 23, 2006 5:31:09 am PDT #675 of 10001
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

Fortunately, the acting, dialogue, and direction were all good, so one can wave off the illogic of the situation

Yep, this. I think of "hand-wavy" as a value-neutral quality -- hand-waving is the method by which we achieve suspension of disbelief. If the story/characterization/timing/etc are all good, hand-waving is easy and fun. When they're not, it's a chore. Last night was good.

I can see putting the weapon under the town square to make a point, but doesn't the theory of MAD require you to tell people you have a death ray? (And I'm mildly irritated that nobody thought to ask Eugenia if she knew how to turn it off, once it was established that she was close to Irving back in the day.)


§ ita § - Aug 23, 2006 5:37:22 am PDT #676 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm mildly irritated that nobody thought to ask Eugenia if she knew how to turn it off, once it was established that she was close to Irving back in the day

No one asked those other two guys either, it seems.

Was the death ray complete? I don't think the town would have forgotten it, but I can see it languishing without the world knowing, especially if they hadn't gotten dispensation to turn it on ever.


Jessica - Aug 23, 2006 5:41:19 am PDT #677 of 10001
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

No one asked those other two guys either, it seems.

Sure, but they were only introduced to the audience at the last minute. Eugenia was established early on as being important.


DXMachina - Aug 23, 2006 5:46:56 am PDT #678 of 10001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Sure, but they were only introduced to the audience at the last minute.

No, they were the two guys who told Zoe that it was her fault her parents split.


Frankenbuddha - Aug 23, 2006 5:48:56 am PDT #679 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I can see putting the weapon under the town square to make a point, but doesn't the theory of MAD require you to tell people you have a death ray?

Of course, the whole point of a Doomsday Machine is lost, if you *keep* it a *secret*! Vhy didn't you tell the world, EH? t /Dr. Strangelove


Jessica - Aug 23, 2006 5:57:45 am PDT #680 of 10001
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

No, they were the two guys who told Zoe that it was her fault her parents split.

Oh! You're right, they were. Ignore me.