But that's just my point! You she obeys! She obeys you! There's obeying going on right under my nose!

Wash ,'War Stories'


Boxed Set, Vol. III: "That Can't Be Good..."  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Fay - Jan 30, 2007 11:23:43 pm PST #5954 of 10001
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

the Haitian dude

...look, this has been bugging me. It might just be a reflection of my own cultural-centric-whojamaflipness, or something, what with Haiti being nowhere the hell near my country, and thus my exposure to Haitian dudes being zilch zip zero nada not a bean.

But - WTF is with everybody describing him, just from a wee glance, as 'the Haitian-looking guy'?

What is so screamingly Haitian-looking about him that every person, regardless of their social/cultural/blahblahblah background describes him thus? That nobody just said 'scary black guy' and left it at that?

I just - I don't get it. Some people saying 'Haitian dude', fine. But nobody saying 'black dude'?

I mean, okay, in Britain we've got a higher proportion of us who are of Indian/Pakistani/Kashmiri/OtherBitOfTheIndianSubcontinent extraction than you have across the pond, so I get that most of the viewers of LOST don't stare blankly at the screen and say 'but...why is everyone calling Said an Arab as soon as they see him? He looks a damn sight more Indian than Arab. WTF?' And the answer is, I guess, that most of the viewers don't see the difference, although it seems honkingly obvious if you're used to seeing Indians and Arabs that they don't look the same. (I can handwave it, because there are plenty of variations of physical type in the Middle East, and okay, Said could look like that and still be from Iraq - but Neveen Andrews is not an Arabic looking guy, so having people assume he's an Arab on the basis of skin colour and features was always a bit bemusing.)

...So is this Haitian thing an equivalent? Am I being the LOST viewer person here now? With the not-noticing-a-hugely-obvious-thing that EVERYONE in the US would see at once? It boggled me a bit.


esse - Jan 30, 2007 11:32:25 pm PST #5955 of 10001
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

WTF is with everybody describing him, just from a wee glance, as 'the Haitian-looking guy'?

That's how he was identified by IMDb, and then it was revealed that he had a Haitian accent.


Ailleann - Jan 31, 2007 3:00:22 am PST #5956 of 10001
vanguard of the socialist Hollywood liberal homosexualist agenda

I think Eden also referred to him at one point as "the Haitian."


Laura - Jan 31, 2007 3:22:43 am PST #5957 of 10001
Our wings are not tired.

They refer to him as the Haitian in the show. My city has a huge Haitian population (including my SIL), and I didn't think Haitian when I saw him.

Of course Andrews being Arab is another matter all together. As in, huh? Didn't I read above that Ando is not Japanese either.

I don't know if Haitian dude is really Haitian, or just scary black dude.


Sheryl - Jan 31, 2007 3:33:41 am PST #5958 of 10001
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

I seem to remember Ted(radioactive guy) telling Matt about meeting a Haitian student just before the blackout that brought out his powers. I'm assuming he actually talked to the guy.


victor infante - Jan 31, 2007 3:44:48 am PST #5959 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

But - WTF is with everybody describing him, just from a wee glance, as 'the Haitian-looking guy'?

As said before, no one actually said looking at any point. Ted evidently talked to him and Eden (who worked with him) referred to him as Haitian. No one's come to that from appearance.


Jon B. - Jan 31, 2007 4:02:00 am PST #5960 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Didn't I read above that Ando is not Japanese either.

He's Korean.


sumi - Jan 31, 2007 4:17:31 am PST #5961 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

But he has some Japanese connections -- like he was born in Japan or something so it's not a complete stretch. (George Takei said that he was doing his Japanese lines completely phonetically but I had thought that he knew some Japanese.)


victor infante - Jan 31, 2007 4:29:43 am PST #5962 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Yeah, he took a semester of Japanese in college, and lived in Japan briefly when he wss very young (his dad had been transferred there for work.)


§ ita § - Jan 31, 2007 4:51:11 am PST #5963 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But nobody saying 'black dude'?

And he was described as black dude, at least here, before the Haiti reveal.