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Boxed Set, Vol. III: "That Can't Be Good..."  

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bon bon - Dec 14, 2006 9:05:33 am PST #4551 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I missed one thing--what happened to Pollack?

I rewatched and it wasn't explained (presumably it's yet another link to a possible series) but one theory is that he got stuck just like the motel manager lady.

I think parts 2 and 3 of the miniseries felt like the 2d and 3d episodes of a show after a great pilot-- the writers probably had tons of time to conceive and polish the pilot, and then when given the miniseries they had to scramble to write the next parts. It didn't feel as well thought out and the dialogue was a little more inane.


§ ita § - Dec 14, 2006 9:09:43 am PST #4552 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

one theory is that he got stuck just like the motel manager lady.

Cool. Which reminds me--did Joe get her out of where she was stuck? Alive? Corpsified? I swear I had been paying attention.

I had wondered if whatever means Joe used to get his daughter back would get everything back that had been reset in the room--a bunch of combs and stuffed toys at the very least. I was kinda disappointed that there wasn't a room full of junk.


Dana - Dec 14, 2006 9:12:22 am PST #4553 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Joe got her out, and she died.


Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 14, 2006 9:22:52 am PST #4554 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

But no one knows that Joe's an object, right? So God should be pretty evitable. There's not even a paper trail.

Ruber has the Polaroid that shows all the room's contents in their proper places when held up in front of the room's former location. It's likely he'll go there to view it again, and at least possible that the view will now show Joe in the place of the former Occupant.


§ ita § - Dec 14, 2006 9:28:15 am PST #4555 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Ah. I'd kind of wanted an unaged Conroy to reunite with her bitter husband.

possible that the view will now show Joe in the place of the former Occupant.

Good point. I'd been thinking that the polaroid was a record of what was, but is and was and tenses get very blurry in that universe.


Liese S. - Dec 14, 2006 8:43:13 pm PST #4556 of 10001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

I just watched it. I was not exactly disappointed, but not exactly satisfied by the ending. I like Joe as Object and making that choice. Narratively, I'm fine with all that happening. But I definitely felt like there were way too many questions that were just forgotten about. And I don't trust that in a series they'd be dealt with.

Yeah. I wouldn't have minded an age-distorted reunion.

How creepy and upsetting it will be eventually when his daughter grows up and is older than he is now. Then. Will be. You know.

Does he somehow think he'll be able to handle the crazy-making of all the objects calling to him? I think if it were me, I would spend a little more time talking to the crazy man I'm about to kill to work out how this is all going to shake down, and whether or not he has any relevant advice, seeing as how he'd lived all these years with it.

I definitely thought we were going to see all the stuffed animals and combs and junk that was reset in the room. And maybe some other people.

Also, I felt like if Joe could be reset in the room and walk out since he was Objectified, then there's no reason why the Occupant couldn't have done the same. I understand that he mightn't have. But Joe could have given some more persuasion to that option. It belies that the Occupant said, "I can't get her, but you can..." meaning by killing him and taking his place. That doesn't make sense.

I don't think.


§ ita § - Dec 14, 2006 8:51:10 pm PST #4557 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It's possible the Occupant could. But didn't want to.

My other never-to-be-realised fantasy was that Anna would come back wrong...and played by Dakota Fanning.


Liese S. - Dec 14, 2006 9:48:49 pm PST #4558 of 10001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Yeah. I suppose if you can get the guy to knock you out of your umpty-year misery instead, why not let him. It's just that Joe, with all the angsting about the murder, never really questioned that there might be any other options. I mean, even, the guy could have killed himself. In the room, the objects didn't work. But okay, suicide probably doesn't pass on the mysterious state of being, so I'll go with it.


§ ita § - Dec 14, 2006 10:18:07 pm PST #4559 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It's one of the bits I'd've like to see touched on/cleared up in the first half of an ensuing season.

I'm sending it BSG thoughts, but I have no conviction.


DCJensen - Dec 15, 2006 3:33:19 am PST #4560 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.

The best part about The Stand was the opening song and pullback.