Giles: I jump out of the circle, jump back in, and, and, shake my gourd. Buffy: Hey, I think I know this ritual. The ancient shamans were next called upon to do the Hokey-Pokey and to turn themselves around.

'Dirty Girls'


Boxed Set, Vol. III: "That Can't Be Good..."  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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JenP - Aug 16, 2006 3:03:08 pm PDT #388 of 10001

What are you guys thinking so far? Which tones work? What falls flat? What do you want more of? And oh-my-god-please-no-more less of?

The Jack and Jo dymanic is fantastic. More fun than Jack/Allison, though I guess fun isn't what they're going for there, exactly. I always wish shows would wait a bit to see where sparks actully show up before predetermining a pairing. But, I know nothing about how all that works, so...

I like the humor and the way Jack operates and comments on this weird world. I also like the supporting cast, especially Henry. More Henry!

Will be interested to see how the arc about the artifact and Section 5 plays out.


Cashmere - Aug 16, 2006 3:36:42 pm PDT #389 of 10001
Now tagless for your comfort.

Oh, and a reason for Frewer's accent wouldn't go amiss.

Yes. This. For the love of all that's holy.


Ginger - Aug 16, 2006 3:39:26 pm PDT #390 of 10001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Oh, and a reason for Frewer's accent wouldn't go amiss.

Particularly if it's an admission that he's not really Australian after all, so he can go back to Matt Frewer's regular voice rather than the ever-changing accent that usually sounds like he's gargling motor oil.


Liese S. - Aug 16, 2006 3:47:53 pm PDT #391 of 10001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Glad the numbers are holding. Ad money should help!

What are you guys thinking so far? Which tones work? What falls flat? What do you want more of? And oh-my-god-please-no-more less of?

So far, I like it, and so does my generally-not-fannish SO. The premise is good, I like the environment, and the characters have potential. I'll need to see some complexity to hold me, though, in the characterization.

As for tone, I think in general you're playing well. Most of what you do, specifically, comes off well. As the show progresses, though, it'll be interesting to see what you and the writers do with your character as he becomes increasingly entwined in the town & environment; he'll be less of our POV character as he becomes accustomed to the...oddities. Definitely like Jack's relationship with Jo.

What doesn't work? That's where it's a finer line. I don't want to see the characters become caricatures, and that's where Allison is a worry for me. Her own character needs to be stronger so that she's less of just a foil to Jack & Whoozit. I forget his name. Riker, you know. I don't mind seeing the romance, but right now it's boring and predictable to me.

More Henry, more snark, more continuity.

Fewer broad strokes, that sort of thing.

But on the whole, it's good. I really like it, and I'll continue to watch.


Ailleann - Aug 16, 2006 4:18:33 pm PDT #392 of 10001
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More snark. So far everyone's giving good snark.

I think that a delay in any Jack/Allison hookup would be refreshing. Getting to know each other, becoming friends, then maybe having a "so... you wanna try going out?" phase. It seems too expected for them to get together right away.

More Jo, and more Jo/Jack.


Strega - Aug 16, 2006 4:32:44 pm PDT #393 of 10001

My main problem is that the audience is told far too much, far too early. It's a lot more interesting if we're learning things with the characters, instead of watching the characters figure out stuff we already know. It seems like, in an effort to create suspense, they go way too far.

And it might be nice if maybe once in a while a story could show science as kind of a good thing, so it's not always "a mad scientist's experiment is misused/goes awry!"

I really like the characters & actors, and that's not something I'm usually focused on. I like the premise. The story ideas are interesting. I just... well, I kinda want to re-edit the end product. But I feel that way about a lot of things.


Ginger - Aug 16, 2006 4:45:38 pm PDT #394 of 10001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

I think that a delay in any Jack/Allison hookup would be refreshing.

I just don't see the Jack/Allison thing. There's no chemistry there. For once, I'd like a show that's not all about "Will they hook up? What will happen if they do?"

It's a fun show, and I think Colin is pitch perfect as the voice of sanity. I do fear the Northern Exposure/Gilmore Girls wacky townspeople thing getting out of hand, as it did on both those shows.

Also, science fiction works best for me when they keep the little things normal and logical, so I only have to handwave vigorously at the freaky science plot points. For example, why did they take Spencer to Beverly's still wrapped in the quilt? They were right by his trailer, at which he presumably keeps his clothes.


CFerg - Aug 16, 2006 5:48:01 pm PDT #395 of 10001

I just wrote the longest response to the posts ever. And then resalized it was too long. I erased it.

I couldn't agree more.

Why do they have to force two character together so hard? It feels so forced to me - both of us. I always felt there was more going on in the Jo scenes because there was SOMETHING to play.

I share you vision for shows and am nervous for the future. The network wanted the first season to be stand alone. They wanted that to make sure that some people could miss a few and not feel lost. And it's not what I, presonally, gravitate towards, but I'm nervous we're going to lose our smart viewers.

I know that second season they want to be more distanced from over explaining things...but we have to get there.

At least we have some good rides coming up. I think you'll like what happens to Jo in "Purple Haze".


Polter-Cow - Aug 16, 2006 5:55:07 pm PDT #396 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Why do they have to force two character together so hard?

Because people love it. It gives viewers a relationship to be invested in because whatever the show is actually about just isn't enough, apparently.

The network wanted the first season to be stand alone. They wanted that to make sure that some people could miss a few and not feel lost. And it's not what I, presonally, gravitate towards, but I'm nervous we're going to lose our smart viewers.

This seems to be a very common network note. I hear it from Rob re: Veronica Mars all the time. I also read an interesting article in Entertainment Weekly maybe a year ago about the creator of The Dead Zone. He was saying something to the extent of, "When you get a substantial viewership, you're allowed the freedom to develop your arc. Because that core viewership will be interested in the long story." Most first seasons tend to want more stand-alones, though, right, because you need to build that viewership, give them several entrance points.


Cashmere - Aug 16, 2006 5:56:09 pm PDT #397 of 10001
Now tagless for your comfort.

Why do they have to force two character together so hard? It feels so forced to me - both of us. I always felt there was more going on in the Jo scenes because there was SOMETHING to play.

Maybe they worry that people need a formula. That's too bad because I don't see any chemistry between Jack & Allison, either. Jo, on the other hand....

At least we have some good rides coming up. I think you'll like what happens to Jo in "Purple Haze".

Excellent.

I'm not bothered by the overly played quirkiness of the townspeople--but that was one of my favorite things about Northern Exposure. That created a lot of great stories and I'm hoping it's a treasure trove for Eureka, too.