Tracy: 'When you can't run, you crawl... and when you can't crawl, when you can't do that--' Zoe: 'You find someone to carry you.'

'The Message'


Boxed Set, Vol. III: "That Can't Be Good..."  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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Ailleann - Aug 16, 2006 4:18:33 pm PDT #392 of 10001
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More snark. So far everyone's giving good snark.

I think that a delay in any Jack/Allison hookup would be refreshing. Getting to know each other, becoming friends, then maybe having a "so... you wanna try going out?" phase. It seems too expected for them to get together right away.

More Jo, and more Jo/Jack.


Strega - Aug 16, 2006 4:32:44 pm PDT #393 of 10001

My main problem is that the audience is told far too much, far too early. It's a lot more interesting if we're learning things with the characters, instead of watching the characters figure out stuff we already know. It seems like, in an effort to create suspense, they go way too far.

And it might be nice if maybe once in a while a story could show science as kind of a good thing, so it's not always "a mad scientist's experiment is misused/goes awry!"

I really like the characters & actors, and that's not something I'm usually focused on. I like the premise. The story ideas are interesting. I just... well, I kinda want to re-edit the end product. But I feel that way about a lot of things.


Ginger - Aug 16, 2006 4:45:38 pm PDT #394 of 10001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

I think that a delay in any Jack/Allison hookup would be refreshing.

I just don't see the Jack/Allison thing. There's no chemistry there. For once, I'd like a show that's not all about "Will they hook up? What will happen if they do?"

It's a fun show, and I think Colin is pitch perfect as the voice of sanity. I do fear the Northern Exposure/Gilmore Girls wacky townspeople thing getting out of hand, as it did on both those shows.

Also, science fiction works best for me when they keep the little things normal and logical, so I only have to handwave vigorously at the freaky science plot points. For example, why did they take Spencer to Beverly's still wrapped in the quilt? They were right by his trailer, at which he presumably keeps his clothes.


CFerg - Aug 16, 2006 5:48:01 pm PDT #395 of 10001

I just wrote the longest response to the posts ever. And then resalized it was too long. I erased it.

I couldn't agree more.

Why do they have to force two character together so hard? It feels so forced to me - both of us. I always felt there was more going on in the Jo scenes because there was SOMETHING to play.

I share you vision for shows and am nervous for the future. The network wanted the first season to be stand alone. They wanted that to make sure that some people could miss a few and not feel lost. And it's not what I, presonally, gravitate towards, but I'm nervous we're going to lose our smart viewers.

I know that second season they want to be more distanced from over explaining things...but we have to get there.

At least we have some good rides coming up. I think you'll like what happens to Jo in "Purple Haze".


Polter-Cow - Aug 16, 2006 5:55:07 pm PDT #396 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Why do they have to force two character together so hard?

Because people love it. It gives viewers a relationship to be invested in because whatever the show is actually about just isn't enough, apparently.

The network wanted the first season to be stand alone. They wanted that to make sure that some people could miss a few and not feel lost. And it's not what I, presonally, gravitate towards, but I'm nervous we're going to lose our smart viewers.

This seems to be a very common network note. I hear it from Rob re: Veronica Mars all the time. I also read an interesting article in Entertainment Weekly maybe a year ago about the creator of The Dead Zone. He was saying something to the extent of, "When you get a substantial viewership, you're allowed the freedom to develop your arc. Because that core viewership will be interested in the long story." Most first seasons tend to want more stand-alones, though, right, because you need to build that viewership, give them several entrance points.


Cashmere - Aug 16, 2006 5:56:09 pm PDT #397 of 10001
Now tagless for your comfort.

Why do they have to force two character together so hard? It feels so forced to me - both of us. I always felt there was more going on in the Jo scenes because there was SOMETHING to play.

Maybe they worry that people need a formula. That's too bad because I don't see any chemistry between Jack & Allison, either. Jo, on the other hand....

At least we have some good rides coming up. I think you'll like what happens to Jo in "Purple Haze".

Excellent.

I'm not bothered by the overly played quirkiness of the townspeople--but that was one of my favorite things about Northern Exposure. That created a lot of great stories and I'm hoping it's a treasure trove for Eureka, too.


Nutty - Aug 16, 2006 6:09:23 pm PDT #398 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I'm nervous we're going to lose our smart viewers.

Fear not. The idiotic crap otherwise-intelligent people will subject themselves to, for the greater fannish squee, is mindboggling. Especially on the Sci Fi Channel! (It just means you'll have to have a all-naked, all gay musical episode some day. Or mime! You could do a whole episode in mime.)


Ginger - Aug 16, 2006 6:10:26 pm PDT #399 of 10001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

I loved the quirkiness of the townspeople at the beginning of Northern Exposure, but as time went on, many slipped from quirky to completely unbelievable. For me, at least, there's a fine line.


DCJensen - Aug 16, 2006 7:03:59 pm PDT #400 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.

So the Artifact is... Green rocks. Right?

They found them in a field in Kansas.

Nope. It's the Orb. From Brisco County Jr.


bon bon - Aug 16, 2006 7:13:18 pm PDT #401 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Why do they have to force two character together so hard? It feels so forced to me - both of us. I always felt there was more going on in the Jo scenes because there was SOMETHING to play.

Agreed. Allison is always exasperated. It doesn't help that she doesn't appear to have any real authority or agency...she's like a nanny with her hands on her hips all the time. From the website:

Allison Blake, the government liaison between Eureka and the Pentagon, provides Jack Carter with a steady flow of professional and romantic frustrations. Charged with reporting on the progress of Eureka's citizens as well as their temperamental innovations, Allison grapples with an endless stream of crises and moral dilemmas.

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