askye, I agree that it would have been nice to have Jack's old flame around for a little longer before killing her off. I had a similar problem with ep. 4; I think there should have been longer between the reveal about Ianto and his Secret Cyberlover and the time when she goes crazy and has to be killed, rather than cramming it all into one episode. We don't have enough time with, or knowledge about, these characters yet for those moments to have real emotional payoff.

Anyone seen 1.06 yet? I thought it was a definite improvement over the last few, although I could have done with about 90% less screentime given over to shots of decomposing and mutilated bodies, pools of blood, carcasses hanging on meathooks, etc. Yuck! But I surprised myself by liking the Owen/Gwen hookup. Well, maybe "liking" is too strong a term, but I can buy it. I still think Owen is basically a nasty guy and I wish Gwen could see that. But then I remembered that she doesn't know everything we know about him--like, you know, that he's a rapist--and it does make sense that she'd want to be with someone she could talk to about everything she's seen at Torchwood. Again, though, it seems like this is all happening really fast; I thought it would take longer for them to fall into bed together.

Oh, and Captain Hero Rambo Jack was so, so incredibly cheesy. I feel about slow-motion the way some people feel about human cloning: just because you *can*, doesn't mean you *should*. Still, I very much enjoyed the episode.

Kate -- agree about the Cyberwoman thing, all the explanations seem so rushed, I wonder how many episodes are there in this first series? and are they going to do a second, because maybe that's why they are rushing things. I downloaded tonights episode and I've watched a bit of it, from the previews it looked like maybe it would be something like the movie Saw so I skipped to different parts to see how gory it would be and watched the ending. I'll have to see the episode to figure out how I feel about Owen and Gwen hooking up.

askye, I haven't seen Saw, so I don't know how gory it is, but my guess is very. This episode is probably not that bad. It was definitely a higher level of grossness than I was expecting; but bear in mind also that I really don't do gore at all, so it might be an acceptable level for you.

Just found out that Matt Frewer is a busy man. Not only is he now a series regular on Eureka, he's also a series regular on what sounds like an interesting Canadian spy/crime drama called, Intelligence. [link] I haven't seen any episodes but I'm sorely tempted to ahem what's available so far.

I watched a little bit last night of Torchwood and - when Gwen started asking but who they'd last kissed I cringed immediately because I knew Ianto had last kissed Lisa (he looked so hurt and lost and on a shallow note he looked good in casual clothes). Was it just me or did Sato look jealous when Owen said he kissed Gwen? Again I think they are rushing things because I didn't really see any heat between Gwen and Owen except when he had her pinned against the tree and I would love to see some build up before they acted on their feelings.

I have more Supernatural musings/questions.

When it was mentioned that their framework included Hell, I considered it an additional piece of information that fleshed out what I already knew. I have no problem with it.

Nutty does have a problem, and I'm not going to try and sum it up, because I don't understand it and will do it wrong. But I wanted to have the discussion here because I really don't get it, and maybe multiple people explaining it to me will make the lightbulb go on.

You know it never bothered me that on Buffy they had demons, they had hell, they had multiple demon/hell dimensions but nobody ever mentioned heaven until season 6.

And here -- doesn't bother me either. I mean, explanations from Supernatural about things like Urban Legends is that they are real. So, a legend about Robert Johnson selling his soul? Real. Therefore, there are souls and they can be sold to the Devil.

To be fair, it was fairly evident from the start of Buffy that some sort of benevolent higher power was sending her the prophetic dreams, and I took the resolution of "I Only Have Eyes for You" to mean that both Grace's and James' souls had finally found peace.

Are you equating heaven with peace? There are heavens in Buffy, but I thought the resolution of IOHEFY could also be about release...just plain release.

But, yeah, some power or the other was working with Buffy to fight evil--question is, if the Slayer is the creation of the Watchers back in the day, how did they make her have prophetic dreams? Did they build in a connection to TPTB?

Which is totally off-topic, but there you go.

Because infinitemonkeys on LJ had said that it was cheesy and bad. Huh. Maybe I'll ahem an episode just to see.

Oh, you know, it's cheesy in the way that due South was cheesy. That it's cheesy doesn't endear it to me any less. I don't know, it's entertaining in a cheetos way, and it's not painful to watch like Torchwood is for me. The cast is pretty and Marian is a remarkably engaging female character, and the fellow who plays the Sherriff is quite deliciously wicked. The costumers are also lovely, if "modern" in an entirely unauthentic, but still lovely, way. I like it.

Speaking of Torchwood, last night's episode was just. I want Gwen to freaking nut up and stop being lame. I'd also appreciate if Jack would give all of his team rape whistles, because obviously they are incapable of protecting themselves. Was it really necessary to have Jack sweep in and save the day and shoot every. single. baddie. and the rest of the crew do jack shit?

I also still don't quite get whether it was the rift that made the people crazy--which seems unlikely given that the crazies apparently did this every ten years--or they were just fucked up in group-think on their own. Were they cannibals? Were they serial killers? What's going on there? The resolution sucked. I also didn't like the allusions they made to rural Welsh folk, because it ties in to a lot of residual cultural oppression overall.

And was it really necessary for the annoyingly random Owen/Gwen? I mean, it's bad enough that every character in the show has snogged every other character, but I haven't wanted two people to not have sex that viscerally since Meredith and George on Grey's Anatomy. And while I'm not going to sneeze at next week's lesbianism, at this point all this mess feels gratuitous, and should have been better left to the fanfic. I can't believe I want a show to be *less* sexualised, but that's where I am.

Oh, and askye, I totally caught that Tosh was jealous. Which also annoys me.