Now I did a job. I got nothing but trouble since I did it, not to mention more than a few unkind words as regard to my character so let me make this abundantly clear. I do the job. And then I get paid.

Mal ,'Serenity'


Boxed Set, Vol. III: "That Can't Be Good..."  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


§ ita § - Nov 16, 2006 8:09:28 am PST #3690 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I love the SG1 episode where Sam deduces they're on an ice planet.

Turns out they're in the Arctic.


DXMachina - Nov 16, 2006 8:17:23 am PST #3691 of 10001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Antarctic.

I will say that Stargate is among the worst at that. So many of the planets they visit seem to be just a single tiny village that has maintained the exact same population level for thousands of years. It ain't natural.

I had to stop reading the little snot. It's fiction. Deal with it. SF isn't the only genre that is rife with cliches (or maybe he hasn't noticed that cops always get blown away the day before they're supposed to retire).


Dana - Nov 16, 2006 8:22:05 am PST #3692 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Yeah, you also have to love his theory that CGI is cheap now, so all aliens can be non-humanoid. That wouldn't pose any difficulties in terms of a story's emotional impact or anything. It's a huge challenge for actors in prosthetics to convey emotions past all of that latex or makeup. Now you want me to care about something CGI'd?


Polter-Cow - Nov 16, 2006 8:23:25 am PST #3693 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Well, I'm sure he'll come up with a "cop movie cliches" list tomorrow.

I love the SG1 episode where Sam deduces they're on an ice planet.

Turns out they're in the Arctic.

Hee. Exactly! I mean, the way these things work...think of the many, many places one could land on Earth. It's a diverse planet!

Really, the worst is when someone is marooned on A Planet and then a search party just LANDS ON THE PLANET IN THE SAME AREA. (And, no, they didn't do any sort of "scans" or anything. They just...landed. And voila!)


tommyrot - Nov 16, 2006 8:25:51 am PST #3694 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

At least on the BSG episode where Kara gets stranded on the planet/asteroid, they spend days looking for her. And then they note how little of the asteroid's surface they've covered. And they never actually find her (she finds them).


§ ita § - Nov 16, 2006 8:25:52 am PST #3695 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Antarctic! Thanks. I tried to google, and it was not useful.

I think the guy forgets that humans are the ones consuming the stories, and that fiction has...mechanisms. Sometimes emotional impact is the point, not equations.

Yeah, there are lazy writers. But there are also writers whose goal wasn't what this guy thinks their goal should have been--and that's not his call.


tommyrot - Nov 16, 2006 8:28:30 am PST #3696 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

His thing about spaceships all having a top and botton is annoying. OK, lets say a spaceship is a sphere or a cylinder. You'd constantly be seeing people with different vertical orientations, and/or people making the transition from one vertical orientation to another. It would be a big PITA to write, produce and direct, and it'd have little or no dramatic benefit.

eta: The Death Star is a sphere, but it's big enough that they never have to show these issues.


tommyrot - Nov 16, 2006 8:34:08 am PST #3697 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Oh, and if spaceships moved with 100% accurate Newtonian physics and orbital mechanics, the results would be weird and not very exciting. I know that spaceship movement is almost never depicted 100% correctly (according to our understanding of physics) but I suspend my disbelief unless the offense is especially egregious.


Theodosia - Nov 16, 2006 8:41:06 am PST #3698 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

At least with Stargates, the natives have an actual reason to hang out in one geographical region, since that would give them readier access to it.


Jessica - Nov 16, 2006 8:54:41 am PST #3699 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I have to say, while his examples mostly suck, I have to agree with him that the "nonhumans who want to become human" trope is annoying and overused, especially when it shows up in conjunction with "love is a human emotion." Blargh.

But spaceships have a top and a bottom because they're going to be manned by people who grew up on planets, and expect their vehicles to have tops and bottoms. Once we all agree that interstellar travel is science fiction, I don't think it's a huge stretch to assume that we've also invented a workable artificial gravity by that point.