Mal: Cut it out. Job's not done until we're back on Serenity. Zoe: Sorry, sir. Didn't mean to enjoy the moment.

'Ariel'


Boxed Set, Vol. III: "That Can't Be Good..."  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

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Typo Boy - Oct 25, 2006 9:29:41 am PDT #3121 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Yep but the hollowing out of the rapist quarterback took away his name, but not his ability to speak. So memory erasure does not have to be date based, though it seems to include that.

I don't assume he neccesarily has mind reading. That is a lot more precise than erasure. But as I said the erasure itself seems to be telepathic - mental projection and getting some sort of mental feedback in return. And I don't agree that we can't use Occams razor in guessing which way a fiction will go. It applies to some extent to good writing too. I'll agree it is not certain. We will eventually have canon on this (probably) and canon may completely prove my guess that it is a projective mental power with feedback wrong. But I'll bet you four persian, to one I'm right - that it is projective telelpathy, with some very general weak feedback, the feedback not neccesarily anywhere near strong enough to be mindreading, just a general feeling about how much memory was erased.

The don't-notice-me thing is much more tenative. It is not like we've seen MGB break into anything with high levels of security , so he could just be good at sneaking. But that he has that ability is a strong hunch, and IMO would be good story telling as well. A memory erasor with effective invisibility: that is a spooky villain or a very scary watcher type. Actually I suspect he does not have mind-reading - mind erasure end invisibilty are both mainly outward projecting mental powers. No reason he should have as strong ability to pull detailed information the other way. And it is better story telling if not one person h as too many powers. And the fact that Nathan took him by suprise with the supersonic whoosh seems to argume against mind reading.

Incidentally on the "no-one gets too much power thing". We are starting to see hints of limitations even on Hiro who I thought was going to end up unbalancedly powerful. Too many paradoxes risks a "rift". That certainly limits what he can do with time travel. (I'm assuming that a "rift" is a Very Bad thing.)

Also, his blog reveals another weakness.

He can't maintain timestop for more than 20 seconds. Which contradicts some of the time stops that seemed to go on longer in actual episodes. But how to you time a time stop anyway? At any rate, lets take it as canon that he can't maintain timestop indefinitely.


Polter-Cow - Oct 25, 2006 9:36:28 am PDT #3122 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Too many paradoxes risks a "rift". That certainly limits what he can do with time travel. (I'm assuming that a "rift" is a Very Bad thing.)

Yeah, that's always the peril of time travel. You don't want to fuck up the space-time continuum or you risk DESTROYING REALITY AS WE KNOW IT.

As scary as it is, I sort of like that idea because it posits a math-based universe that exists in a definite structure, and mucking about can cause a divide-by-zero error and cancel out the equation.


§ ita § - Oct 25, 2006 9:36:54 am PDT #3123 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Yep but the hollowing out of the rapist quarterback took away his name, but not his ability to speak. So memory erasure does not have to be date based, though it seems to include that.

Yeah, but that's what fictional total amnesia always looks like. Is that based on sound real world data about forgetting? If so...is name an event and language something stored somewhere completely different, and therefore not caught in the cleanup?

It's not that it's fiction which makes Occam's razor unreliable for me--it's that it's a fictional power we're hypothesising about. What is simple about telepathy other than the norms we've each accepted from the fiction we've read? There isn't one common thing we can centre back on.

the fact that Nathan took him by suprise with the supersonic whoosh seems to argume against mind reading.

What the hell did Evil Dad know? Not that he could fly? Or did he just bargain that he wouldn't?


Typo Boy - Oct 25, 2006 9:39:12 am PDT #3124 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I think Evil Dad did not know how well Nathan could fly. He may have expected slow hovering; they would be able to grab him before he got very far off the ground.


§ ita § - Oct 25, 2006 9:41:18 am PDT #3125 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

For someone who seems to know more about the specials than they do about themselves, that's either disappointing or heartening.


Kathy A - Oct 25, 2006 9:50:42 am PDT #3126 of 10001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

In non-Hero related news, last night I saw an old CSI:LV with a beardless Ed Quinn as the rather slimy swinging husband who broke the rules of the swinging neighborhood club by having an affair with his neighbor. He was smirk-tastic!


Typo Boy - Oct 25, 2006 9:50:46 am PDT #3127 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Yeah - I wonder if Evil!Dads is someone who got there first, rather than being all that . Gettting there first is a hell of an advantage of course, but if the other guy survives long enough youu eventually lose it. For everbody who hates all encompassing conspiracies it would be great if this one turned out to be a rogue agent, his stolen slush fund, and his one superpowered assistant - plus a very small amount of low level hired help.


DXMachina - Oct 25, 2006 10:38:57 am PDT #3128 of 10001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

I think Evil Dad did not know how well Nathan could fly. He may have expected slow hovering; they would be able to grab him before he got very far off the ground.

I told you Nathan's been practicing.


machall - Oct 25, 2006 10:45:37 am PDT #3129 of 10001
"Would you mind not farting while I'm saving the world?" - Doctor Who

For someone who seems to know more about the specials than they do about themselves, that's either disappointing or heartening.

It's possible that the stress of the situation pushed him to a higher level of performance than he'd previously exhibited. Evil!Dad may know a hero's power based upon gathered genetic data but may still need to observe the subject to determine the magnitude of that power.


Typo Boy - Oct 25, 2006 11:33:34 am PDT #3130 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Well I remember with the cop, Evil!Dad was surprised by how far along his mind reading was. In this case, I'm not predicting - I would totally like to see super-conspiracy turn out to be a small number of not very smart guys.