Kara was going back to the survival strategies she had learned as an abused child.
Was she sexually abused? Not that I know any of the survival strategies. But I do wonder.
Oh, God. Oh, God. My hair. My hair! The government gave me bad hair!
Cordelia ,'The Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco'
Boxed Set, Vol. III: "That Can't Be Good..."
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§ ita § - Oct 07, 2006 7:35:54 pm PDT #2456 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Kalshane - Oct 07, 2006 7:38:33 pm PDT #2457 of 10001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why?
Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.
I like Starbuck less than I did. She's only killed him about once a month? Is she even trying?
Leoban seems to be taking a good deal of care to not let her kill him, considering he didn't give her a knife and was careful to keep the knife away from her while he was cutting her food. I'm sure it takes her time to locate the latest weapon and find the oppurtunity to use it.
§ ita § - Oct 07, 2006 7:41:36 pm PDT #2458 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I'm sure it takes her time to locate the latest weapon and find the oppurtunity to use it.
There was time there when she had access to both the tuning fork and the knife. Maybe she has a refractory period and he was feeling safe.
Suddenly I'm looking around my apartment for ways to kill people. If you leave out the actual weapons, it'd still take a lot of care to make the place both decorated and non-lethal. But I've deleted my copy of the show, so I can't say if it seemed that cleaned up.
Strega - Oct 07, 2006 8:22:44 pm PDT #2459 of 10001
Aw, Cally cracks me up.
Was she sexually abused?Not sexually, AFAWK, but physically. It was pretty strongly implied that her mom was a loon. In "The Farm" we find out that most of her fingers were fractured when she was a child.
I did think that, if I was Starbuck, I'd have killed myself instead of Leoben. But I totally believe she wouldn't. It would be admitting to despair. Not that she doesn't despair, but she wouldn't admit it.
So everyone has to be reincarnated? Seems like a split in the 6s might be well served by not letting the Baltar-obsessed one keep coming back.Individual personas can be put on ice, according to "Downloaded." I think the implication is that the Baltar-lovin' Six has just about used up her cred. They'll bring her back, but they're not giving her opinion all that much weight.
§ ita § - Oct 07, 2006 8:24:49 pm PDT #2460 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
It would be admitting to despair.
See, I'd be doing it to flip the big bird at Leoben. Not at all about despair. Killing him is boring and pointless.
Why bother bring back that 6, though?
Theodosia - Oct 08, 2006 2:06:49 am PDT #2461 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"
Caprica Six was a hero to the rest of the Cylons, at least before the occupied humans started acting up. She's sort of a Colin Powell for their Administration now.
lisah - Oct 08, 2006 7:36:05 am PDT #2462 of 10001
Punishingly Intricate
I was hoping to come here for an explanation of how Jammer's not a Cylon, but I seem to have been the only one that went there. So no theories on why he's alive?
The group I was watching with all thought he was going to be revealed to be a Cylon but then not...How many of the 12 models have we seen now? 7?
Strega - Oct 08, 2006 9:13:12 am PDT #2463 of 10001
See, I'd be doing it to flip the big bird at Leoben. Not at all about despair.Right, but... I think you and Starbuck are somewhat different.
It never occurred to me that Jammer was a Cylon. That'd undermine the point pretty badly, since he's basically there as a sympathetic collaborator.
Hayden - Oct 08, 2006 10:05:13 am PDT #2464 of 10001
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."
I immediately thought that Jammer was a Cylon when he showed up unscathed after the explosion, but I'm glad they didn't undermine that collaborator angle.
OK, for Strega's issues with my problems.
I don't follow. I have tens of thousands of refugees from a technological society. I need them to build a frontier town, which they have absolutely no training for. Are people going to set up homesteads on uneven terrain where they will first have to clear brush, or on a comparatively flat plain with enough space to land the ships, where they can take advantage of whatever tech they can cannibalize, but are still close to the timber and water?
Oh, I disagree heartily. Yes, you want flat land for your ships, but you also want forest for cover and water for, well, drinking, bathing, and flushing. First, the views of New Caprica City showed the tent village in the middle of the plain, nowhere near the wood and water, which is a placement without any natural defenses. I didn't see any timber in use; the tent village looked to be mostly a construct of metal and canvas. And I have no idea where and how they were getting water. However, if they'd set the residential tents along the forest, with the market, landing strips, and ships further into the plain, they would have had natural cover and wood and water nearby. But all of this is a wank, anyway; we'd never seen the forest in any long views, so I'm assuming no one on the show gave it a second thought.
I don't get why the Cylons should be suspicious of Gaeta, either. The only one who has any knowledge of him is Boomer, and she's not exactly down with the takeover.
Yeah, except that they would have rounded up anyone who's been in Adama's bridge crew. Gaeta, being a Baltar aide and senior member of Adama's staff, would & should have been under suspicion from the beginning.
And as long as I'm disagreeing... No, it wasn't surprising that Baltar signed the execution order. I thought it was surprising that he hesitated, and that he actually considered dying rather than sign. I thought that was kinda the point.
I dunno. I think they've well established his intense guilt over his role in the genocide of his people. It wasn't surprising to me that he would balk at agreeing to execute 200 people, especially with Roslin among them. They've also well established that his craven, short-sighted cowardice wins over any ethical concerns every time, and that's basically what happened there.
Strega - Oct 08, 2006 11:05:24 am PDT #2465 of 10001
a placement without any natural defenses.Defenses... from what? With Baltar in charge, it's not difficult for me to believe that the settlement was pretty haphazard. But I guess to me these seem like part of it being a TV show. Yes, we don't see the forest in establishing FX shots, but as your first post noted, it's obviously meant to be nearby. The wide shots need to match wherever they're actually shooting. And I assume that they're living in tents instead of making wooden buildings because they don't want to spend their entire budget on log cabins.
If it was a plot point that they set up in a ridiculous location, it'd bug me, but I don't see how it would have made a difference in the story.
They've also well established that his craven, short-sighted cowardice wins over any ethical concerns every time, and that's basically what happened there.Balk, sure. But resisting even when there's a gun to his head? I think he's more complicated than that, anyway, but even in situations like in "Fragged," self-preservation has been his top priority.