Angel: I appreciate you guys looking out for Connor all summer. It's just—he's confused. He needs time. That's all. Fred: Right. Time, and some corporal punishment with a large heavy mallet. Not that I'm bitter.

'Just Rewards (2)'


Boxed Set, Vol. III: "That Can't Be Good..."  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Laura - Sep 07, 2006 9:08:15 am PDT #1108 of 10001
Our wings are not tired.

I ship the ship DX ships.

Not that I disagree, but I just wanna hear you say that aloud, 4 times rapidly.

I like Zoe for the balance.


Cashmere - Sep 07, 2006 9:21:55 am PDT #1109 of 10001
Now tagless for your comfort.

The more I watch, the more I tend to like Zoe. I want to watch Jack gain more confidence and competence as a parent.

I'm still giggling over Jack sweet talking SARAH. Good lord, that was FUNNY.

I have no opinions on magnets.


Deena - Sep 07, 2006 9:24:34 am PDT #1110 of 10001
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara

I don't mind Zoe as a way to show some things about Jack and the town--she had the town meeting PDA whatsis thing when Jack didn't, for instance. I do think that she shouldn't be integral to every story.

She was at the nursing home when Jack needed to know who to talk to; she was involved with the bad boy at school who made Blink; she ran off with Callister.

The one that seemed the most contrived was the nursing home. She pulled the fire alarm at school and that was her punishment. Why? I don't think that's true to the character. She's different, and she ran away from home; that doesn't mean she's randomly stupid.

And when I look back at the episodes, it doesn't look like she was central to the plot in as many as it feels like she was.

As for Allison and Jack, I don't really have a problem with the idea of them being attracted to one another. It seems as if Jack's been alone awhile and he was attracted to Beverly at first; Jo seems too young to attract his interest, as well as being a coworker; and he hasn't met, or we haven't seen him meet, any other women of appropriate age and availability. I don't know why it feels forced most of the time, but it's really not working.


Jessica - Sep 07, 2006 9:28:23 am PDT #1111 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

She pulled the fire alarm at school and that was her punishment. Why?

I assumed she was trying to get out of taking a test.

I think the Jack/Allison thing would work better if the show would just let them flirt, instead of cloaking it in forced innuendo.


Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 07, 2006 9:29:17 am PDT #1112 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Here, or in general? Because I'm thinking of Night Sins and Opposite of Sex at the very least.

In general. Well, not when Martin Donovan's tongue was down his throat, but Patrick Maitland was supposed to be a character that people could believably mistake for gay in at least a couple of stories. When Colin was playing him, I just couldn't see that happening.


Theodosia - Sep 07, 2006 9:29:24 am PDT #1113 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I think that Zoe helps to ground Jack as a real person to me -- he has a human relationship not based on romance, or job or fighting crime, one that he isn't any more well-equipped to deal with than I am. Plus, we get the whole "kids adapt quicker to this crazy new technology these days" amped up to eleventy.


bon bon - Sep 07, 2006 9:37:38 am PDT #1114 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I don't like Zoe for the same reason I hate most kids on television-- they're written to be bratty drama-generators for the main adult characters. When they're central to the show, like the teens on Buffy, they're not nearly as annoying.


Vortex - Sep 07, 2006 9:43:27 am PDT #1115 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I don't like Zoe for the same reason I hate most kids on television-- they're written to be bratty drama-generators for the main adult characters.

oh, that's s good point. I hate the brattiness factor as well. I wouldn't dislike her nearly as much if she were just a normal kid, not out to rebel.


§ ita § - Sep 07, 2006 9:48:38 am PDT #1116 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

When Colin was playing him, I just couldn't see that happening.

Even in episode 4?

It's funny--I got a couple calls from my mother (Colin, look away) saying "ita, I saw your friend being gay again." Between gay and guy in weird pants, I thought he was totally typecast.

No problem seeing him gay, myself.


Vortex - Sep 07, 2006 9:59:29 am PDT #1117 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I could see him gay, Carter just doesn't ping my gaydar. And if that uncomfortable look against the fence is any indication, he's attracted to Alison.