Congratulations to the class of 1999. You all proved more or less adequate.

Snyder ,'Chosen'


The Great Write Way  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


erikaj - Feb 15, 2005 11:50:17 am PST #9899 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

What does it say about me that it was my first thought?


Connie Neil - Feb 15, 2005 11:51:22 am PST #9900 of 10001
brillig

That you have a more peaceful life than others.


erikaj - Feb 15, 2005 11:56:47 am PST #9901 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Uh, I'm thinking that's a continuum, but maybe in cardiac terms, for sure.


SailAweigh - Feb 15, 2005 1:13:44 pm PST #9902 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Hearts Matter

What did it matter? There was no point in doubt or regret. The minute he turned his back on her, there was no turning back. Like a marionette under someone else’s command he walked down the street towards the railway station. Only this time, he was dancing to a barely heard internal tune that was no longer hers. He could hear her crying, but her tears didn’t mean anything. They didn’t change the fact that her kisses and her tears may be warm, but her feelings were frozen. He would never be let inside, to the heart of her matter.


deborah grabien - Feb 15, 2005 3:23:31 pm PST #9903 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

I like adverbs. I use them. I enjoy them. I use them sagaciously, I use them capriciously, and what's more, I use them effectively.

And the anti-adverb nazis can kiss every inch of my six published novels, seventh coming out this year, if they don't like my pretty pretty adverbs.

This is why I don't read the damned "how to" books - I trust my instincts more than I trust their advice. It's like parenting books: don't do this! do that! This is the Only Way!

Screw that. The occasional properly placed adverb never hurt anyone.


Connie Neil - Feb 15, 2005 3:33:47 pm PST #9904 of 10001
brillig

Lawrence Bloch's "Telling Lies For Fun and Profit" agrees with you, deb. I love him. He doesn't take the authentically useful advice to the extreme of "You'll only look like an amateur if you don't do it my way." Which is why I bought a copy of his book and only got the other one out of the library.


Scrappy - Feb 15, 2005 3:40:16 pm PST #9905 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

I think grammar and parenting books are useful only in providing well-chosen stats and examples, not as rulebooks. IOW, a book giving info like "At six weeks your baby will probably develop acne. It's normal." or "Most editors find page-long paragraphs off-putting." can be helpful. "You must feed your child strained beets." is not.


deborah grabien - Feb 15, 2005 4:18:15 pm PST #9906 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

The problem with the how-to books is on the bottom line: they leave out the obvious.

Terry Pratchett uses a bazillion judiciously placed adverbs. This is Against the Grain. OK, but what does he do with the adverbs?

He tells a story with them. He tells a really really good story. With reallly interesting characters that people can get into.

And the only people who get pissy about the adverbs are the people who notice that sort of thing, decide there Ought To Be A Rule, and proceed to write a bunch of "how-to" books about it.

Terry Pratchett has how many published novels? Which have sold how many copies?

As opposed to the how-to writers - how many novels?

Even I can do that math.


Susan W. - Feb 15, 2005 4:26:38 pm PST #9907 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

In rough drafts, I use adverbs in bulk form. I buy those puppies at Costco. Kirkland Signature Brand Adverbs, all over my prose.

I try to get rid of at least 3/4 of them before I submit my work anywhere, though. Especially the "said thusly" ones. 45% of the time, they're unnecessary--telling something I've already shown through dialogue and context. 45% of the time, they're a sign I need to polish the dialogue a bit. And 10% of the time they work, and damn the rulebooks, I'm leaving them there.

I don't worry half so much about the ones that aren't attached to a "said."


deborah grabien - Feb 15, 2005 4:51:45 pm PST #9908 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

An adverb is just a word. That's all it is. It's not the antichrist and it's not the second coming, either.

If I find three of them in the space of two sentences, I tend to find they're being used as a tell device, by a writer who is either unsure of their own abilities to show me by painting a scene, or by someone so damned cocksure and convinced of their own talent that they think they don't have to paint a scene.

I use them, rather a lot, in dialogue. Not attached to a said, but within a speech pattern, for specific characters. In Matty Groves, Charlotte Leight-Arnold, an eccentric and an endearing whackaloon with a scary amount of privilege, uses the word "truly" every third or fourth sentence. It's a Charlotte thing.

And Char is one of things my not inconsiderable network of beta readers loved the best about the novel.

They're like anything else - it's how and where you use them. Also, why you use them.