Now hold on, I'm gonna press the right pedal harder. I expect us to accelerate.

Anya ,'Showtime'


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A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Gus - Feb 08, 2005 9:46:14 am PST #9834 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

Beverly, you wrecked my exit line.

I shall forgive you, when the laughter dies down. Around 2007 or so.


Brynn - Feb 08, 2005 10:01:17 am PST #9835 of 10001
"I'd rather discuss the permutations of swordplay, with an undertone of definite allusion to sex." Beverly, offering an example of when your characters give you 'tude.

Okay here's my loose interpretation of this challenge. (114 words with title)

Expiration Date

He hates the way she shops. He mocks the effort she puts into the hunt, the hours spent clipping coupons, combing dollar stores and pharmacies for reduced victuals to sustain reduced lives, with garbled rebukes between shots.

When he comes to pick her up from work, that is, if he even remembers to, he blocks her with his fist from the back wall, insisting that he didn’t immigrate to “the land of plenty” to season his Fleisch with past-due ketchup, musty sauerkraut.

That Christmas, as the laughter, echoing the collapsing of his face, begins to wane when he unwraps a tenth jar of Hengstenberg mustard, his fear of disintegration seems justified.


deborah grabien - Feb 08, 2005 10:41:02 am PST #9836 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Gus, I hereby throw down challenge. My editor is 86 years old, she is known as the doyenne of American mystery publishing, and I would trust her with a machete. And she asks me before she edits a word of mine.

If Anne Rice and Thomas Harris aren't painful enough examples of why a good editor is worth his or her weight in gold, may I point you at Hemingway's To Have and Have Not? He wrote a huge overlong muddled mess which buried a very good story and heavy atmosphere in, apparently, shitloads of political outrage. When the editor said, this needs fixing, Ernie gasped, clutched his masterpiece to his undoubtedly hairy manly bosom, announced that no editor would touch it, and proceeded to edit himself.

Lillian Hellman was a junior editor at his publishing house at the time, and she got to read the first draft. It was, quite literally, incoherent; missing entire scenes to connect other scenes. He'd tried to do it himself and he simply didn't know how to edit, especially his own stuff.

I will give my editor anything on this earth she wants, money or no.


deborah grabien - Feb 08, 2005 10:42:18 am PST #9837 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Heh. Brynn, I was about to comment - that's a charming piece of work, there. One word is puzzling me, though: the mention of "our" reduced lives. Everything else in the piece is at a distance, so was that sudden inclusion of self deliberate or accidental?


Brynn - Feb 08, 2005 10:49:09 am PST #9838 of 10001
"I'd rather discuss the permutations of swordplay, with an undertone of definite allusion to sex." Beverly, offering an example of when your characters give you 'tude.

Deb Hmm. I didn't even realize I did that. Probably, I missed it when I was converting the perspective from a first person memory piece, since distance seemed more fitting. I could cut the "our" having it read "to sustain reduced lives" instead? Now I'm noticing weird comma stuff. Not usually a comma gal, but I think I'm wordy and the drabble format has me doing a bit of syntactical contortion to fit everything in.


Gus - Feb 08, 2005 10:51:50 am PST #9839 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

Sure, DG, that will teach me to be flippant.

I think I was referring to that editor who is not real, the one that lives in the mind of the first-time writer, the one who stomps on every word choice and scene setting.

That editor can bite me.

The distinction between input from the editor you describe and input from a writer's group (situated anywhere) must be readily apparent, no?


deborah grabien - Feb 08, 2005 10:55:56 am PST #9840 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

That editor can bite me.

Dude. The one in the head, who tries to eat newbies?

Should be killed on sight. I'm with you.

The meatspace editor who not only knows what they're doing, but who respects the work and the voice?

Anything he or she wants. Dancing girls, groupies, cocaine, chocolate, anything at all.


erikaj - Feb 08, 2005 11:02:08 am PST #9841 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

OK, that Editor, Station manager at KFKD. Bitch.


Beverly - Feb 08, 2005 11:19:28 am PST #9842 of 10001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

And then there's my crew, with the machetes and the weedwhackers. Love them.


Nutty - Feb 08, 2005 11:45:08 am PST #9843 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I think we call Gus's version of an editor a superego.

The other kind does not fall into a Freudian category.