...burning baby fish swimming all round your head.

Drusilla ,'Conversations with Dead People'


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A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


deborah grabien - Dec 11, 2004 9:19:11 am PST #8636 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

You really have leapt right over that wall to see what's back there, haven't you, deb?

The lion only stinks in the cage - if you let out into the jungle, it may be scary, and may potentially eat you, but at least it smells like a lion, not like something in a cage, and the fight is a fair fight, and the end a fair end.

If I choose not to see the monsters on the path, I have no right to complain when they devour me.

Yes, mixed metaphors.


Lilty Cash - Dec 11, 2004 9:22:05 am PST #8637 of 10001
"You see? THAT's what they want. Love, and a bit with a dog."

Damn, Deb. Does this kind of stuff come in flashes, or seem dream-like? (Possibly entirely too personal, so feel free to tell me to shove it.)

There's one tiny thing, from when I was very young, that I remembered when I was in college. The trouble is not knowing if what I see is real, or a memory of some sick sort of dream, and it's nothing I could EVER ask about. But that was just one event, and it was childhood. I can't imagine having any extended period of time lost. I'm glad that these exercises help you with the mind-fuckness of it all.

Vaguely remembering that Deb isn't a hugger, makes her tea and tells her she rocks.


deborah grabien - Dec 11, 2004 9:56:49 am PST #8638 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

It's bits and pieces, Lilty. I'll interact with something - a song, a scent, turning my head and seeing a pattern of leaves leaving shadows on a wall as I walk by, a conversation about something - and something will trigger, and I'll stop right where I am and pick at the fragment, teasing it out, trying to remember all of it. The midlife complication comes because I can't trust some of it. How much of this is real? The core memory, certainly. But what am I remembering accurately?

Sometimes I can ask. I remembered two gigs in December 1975, but I mixed one with the other; luckily, I have three friends who were at both. One was at Winterland, so they came backstage with us and of course they all three remember the evening, and all their memories agree with mine. But as an example, there are things I'd forgotten that they all remember: me giving Rex Jackson (one of the Grateful Dead roadies, a man I cordially loathed, present because the gigs were the Jerry Garcia Band) hell, because he was power-tripping, refusing to let said friends backstage, doing the "they aren't on the guest list" deal. I'd forgotten that, but when Marlene (the friend) reminded me, I also remembered the rest: that N had come out and snapped at Rex and told him to back the hell off, these were friends and family. And Marlene didn't remember that, but Dee did, the entire conversation.

None of this is easy. But writing about it - it's my only way of letting this particular lion out of the cage.


Lilty Cash - Dec 11, 2004 10:03:56 am PST #8639 of 10001
"You see? THAT's what they want. Love, and a bit with a dog."

Well, if you come out of it on the other side feeling ok, kudos, because you're producing some very truthful, visceral stuff.


deborah grabien - Dec 11, 2004 10:08:26 am PST #8640 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Thing is, the object isn't to come out feeling ok - the thing about this stuff is that healing won't necessarily mean feeling good. I expect this is going to be an open wound or a tender tooth for as long as I've got on this planet.

But at least I'll be able to see it. I hope.


erikaj - Dec 11, 2004 10:20:36 am PST #8641 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Or, in the words of that tender philosopher, Denis Leary, "Life sucks. Get a helmet." (I wasn't exactly directing that at Deb, though.)


victor infante - Dec 11, 2004 10:59:59 am PST #8642 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

The reading was amazing--SO! MUCH! FUN!

The Haiku deathmatch turned out to be just me vs. Thessaly, first won to nine wins. I took it, but by the skin of my teeth!

Comic book haiku!


victor infante - Dec 11, 2004 11:04:15 am PST #8643 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

...and here's Thessaly's comic book haiku!


erikaj - Dec 11, 2004 11:04:42 am PST #8644 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Yay Victor!Thessaly's are good too but she knows a lot more about this than I.

An X-men comic

Is the disability experience

With a little more fighting.

ETA: I found that out,

when I was nine, and told no one

Gay folks don't own subtext.


deborah grabien - Dec 11, 2004 1:20:57 pm PST #8645 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Are any of my beta readers around later? Next chunk of Cruel Sister.