Angel: Connor, this is Spike and Illyria. Guys, this is Connor. Connor: Hi. umm...I like your outfit. Illyria: Your body warms. This one is lusting after me. Connor: Oh...no, I--I--it's just that it's the outfit. I guess I've had a thing for older women. Angel: They were supposed to fix that.

'Origin'


The Great Write Way  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Polter-Cow - Oct 16, 2004 9:35:29 am PDT #7376 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

The narrator is a songwriter/composer who achieves success by writing soundtracks for violent video games.

Ooh, a book about Trent Reznor!

I have yet to read the Otherland books since they're fifty thousand pages long and I don't have that kind of time right now.

Ten years is a long time.


deborah grabien - Oct 16, 2004 9:56:07 am PDT #7377 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

I just went and looked at the web page he's created for publishers and agents and editors. I just read the first page.

I also just sent an email to Joanna's dad, asking for any suggestions he might have as to how I might let this guy down without saying what I really want to say. I mean, OUCH.

1. It isn't an original idea, not even remotely. Hell, in War of the Flowers, Tad's protagonist is a songwriter/musician. Trust me, this has been done, and done better. And that one's recent - it was Tad's most recent book, I think. (Oh, P-C, if you have one of the Otherland books, Nic and I are both in the acknowledgments; I researched it for him.)

2. It's first person, and it's first person done wrong, done badly, done terribly. The page I managed to read had me grinding my teeth and unable to want to read any more of it. It's one after another of newbie-writer mistakes, what I think of as the "Help!" school of first person. Remember Victor Spinetti and Roy Kinnear in "Help!"? "I am moving my right foot. I am moving my left foot."

He does the same. damned. thing. "I woke up, and found I had a craving for sugar. Lacing up my shoes, I went out in search of breakfast. An hour later...Mmmmm, hot coffee with half a shot of cream in it. Mmmm, sweet cakes with syrup."

Mmmmm, honey? The reader doesn't care. Trust me. This is you, writing yourself into the story, way too obviously. And you don't have a clue how to make first-person interesting, because you aren't a writer. This isn't story-telling, it's self-indulgence.

He's a perfect example of someone with a good education, mistaking technical skill (knowing what a verb is) with inspiration and voice. Um, no.

He's been querying agents with it forever, and raised no interest. There's a reason for this and trust me, dude, nepotism won't fix it.


Polter-Cow - Oct 16, 2004 10:02:47 am PDT #7378 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

(Oh, P-C, if you have one of the Otherland books, Nic and I are both in the acknowledgments; I researched it for him.)

Wow.

"I work up, and found I had a craving for sugar. Lacing up my shoes, I went out in search of breakfast. An hour later...Mmmmm, hot coffee with half a shot of cream in it. Mmmm, sweet cakes with syrup."

The hell? That sounds like something out of a high school creative writing class. Granted, it's out of context and maybe the style works somehow, but...uh. And for the hell of it, I'm going to rewrite it, without trying very hard, mind you:

"The morning found me with a craving for sugar, and no desire to actually make anything. I think the Coffeemaker was broken anyway. I'd thrown it at a squirrel.

The diner down the street has the most amazing coffee. Their half a shot of cream is exactly four fluid ounces. Despite my craving for sugar, I paradoxically took my coffee without it. Instead, I took it in the form of pancakes drenched in syrup. A little too drenched. My pants, it seemed, also had a craving for sugar.

It was going to be one of those days."


Anne W. - Oct 16, 2004 10:24:31 am PDT #7379 of 10001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

P-C, I now want to read what happens next.


Polter-Cow - Oct 16, 2004 10:29:05 am PDT #7380 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

The squirrel comes back for revenge and bites him in the nuts. The end.


deborah grabien - Oct 16, 2004 10:32:44 am PDT #7381 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

P-C, I don't think I was clear. He isn't asking for feedback; to him, the novel is finished, it's perfect, he wants hooking up because his perfect finished novel hasn't attracted one bite in ten years.


Anne W. - Oct 16, 2004 10:35:32 am PDT #7382 of 10001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

He isn't asking for feedback; to him, the novel is finished, it's perfect

Oh, as usual, dear.


Polter-Cow - Oct 16, 2004 10:35:33 am PDT #7383 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Oh, I understood you. I was rewriting for my own fun.


deborah grabien - Oct 16, 2004 10:39:02 am PDT #7384 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

I was rewriting for my own fun.

Ah. Well, yours is certainly light years better than his, but I am very fierce about first person; it's very hard to do properly, very difficult to put on that character and speak through them without putting yourself into it, your own issues, your own joys and sorrows. That can be done properly, or it can be done messily. It's one of the trickiest balancing acts in writing fiction.

And the problem - or one of them - is that you'd better have a damned strong story to tell, if you're saying to the reader, come with me.


Anne W. - Oct 16, 2004 10:40:14 am PDT #7385 of 10001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

I am very fierce about first person; it's very hard to do properly, very difficult to put on that character and speak through them without putting yourself into it, your own issues, your own joys and sorrows. That can be done properly, or it can be done messily. It's one of the trickiest balancing acts in writing fiction.

Absolutely. I generally find it's easier to sustaing first person for a short story or drabble. Once it gets over a thousand words, it becomes unfun.