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'Dirty Girls'


The Great Write Way  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Betsy HP - Mar 22, 2004 12:12:27 pm PST #3652 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Plei, you're a wise woman.

Yes. I liked that a lot.


P.M. Marc - Mar 22, 2004 12:15:31 pm PST #3653 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I'm with Erika. I just realized that I'm much more comfortable with sorrow than with rage. "Damn, I really wanted things to turn out differently" is much more palatable to me than "Damn, I was SCREWED!". As writers, we're all screwed. Better to light some candles than to scream about it.

Yeah, we've most certainly got a POV difference. *grin* I don't do sorrow. To Ralph Wiggums it, it's unpossible. Sorrow, to me, is endlessly more irritating than a rage-on. It's just so... passive.


deborah grabien - Mar 22, 2004 12:18:05 pm PST #3654 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Betsy, did you read the article on chick lit from Ireland? It left me blinking. In the first place, the woman who wrote it had such a nasty snarky tone that I wanted to smack her. But the idea that a 22-year-old kid writing a weepy could get $1M for a first book just sent me into despair.

Not for myself; but there are now 20 or 30 writers who may not get offered a deal of any kind, because Hyperion has tied up so much in this child's book. I find that infuriating, and depressing.

For me, it makes about as much sense as the Cleveland Cavaliers offering a kid out of high school $103M over five years to sign with them. Guys, the poor brat hasn't played one minute in the bigs, going up against seasoned B-ball players. What in hell are you doing? Other than making sure there's not enough in the budget to hire backup?

Seems a similar situation to me.


P.M. Marc - Mar 22, 2004 12:19:32 pm PST #3655 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Plei, you're a wise woman. It's a pity she managed to be so damned irritating about it, because I felt the same sort of irritated sympathy toward her that I would to a spoiled kid who, good at heart, was suddenly confronted with something he/she couldn't get just by wanting.

Oh, I can totally see that. To which my mother's respose, btw, was always a shrug and a "life's not fair."


deborah grabien - Mar 22, 2004 12:21:09 pm PST #3656 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Yeah, we've most certainly got a POV difference. *grin* I don't do sorrow. To Ralph Wiggums it, it's unpossible. Sorrow, to me, is endlessly more irritating than a rage-on. It's just so... passive.

I don't mind the sorrow or the rage, although I'm disinclined toward a pure version of either - mine tends to be a sense of shocked outrage at a perceived injustice, and then I steamroller. As you may have noticed, I'm neither passive nor passive-aggressive.

She just managed to phrase things in a way that would easily ping the "uh-oh, whingeing self-entitled yuppie brat, here!" buttons. A pity; as I say, I do think the story is valuable, in its base information.


erikaj - Mar 22, 2004 12:21:16 pm PST #3657 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

probably ensuring a cocaine problem.


Lyra Jane - Mar 22, 2004 12:21:39 pm PST #3658 of 10001
Up with the sun

I'm not a huge fan of that level of starry-eyed naivete, and I don't think anyone ought to go into this business with their eyes scrunched up.

Yes, this. I think the $150K first-time advance may have sort of encouraed her to be starry-eyed, though -- I know it would me.

And I agree with Plei that the article sounds like it was written by someone who doesn't much feel like writing, lately.

And AmyLiz, not worries on the comments on my comments :-). It took me long enough to get the chapters back to you in the first place.


Lyra Jane - Mar 22, 2004 12:22:31 pm PST #3659 of 10001
Up with the sun

Betsy, did you read the article on chick lit from Ireland?

I missed that. Salon?


deborah grabien - Mar 22, 2004 12:25:08 pm PST #3660 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Yes, this. I think the $150K first-time advance may have sort of encouraed her to be starry-eyed, though -- I know it would me.

Oh, thoroughly. Thing is, she's had ample time to come to terms with the reality of the Monolith That Is American Publishing - and she needs to learn how to deal, at least if she intends to continue writing.

So, Dear Jane: either put this experience to use and keep writing, or give it up and maybe just write about why you gave it up.

I think I just mean that she's got no business being crushed and disappointed after this little go-round.


deborah grabien - Mar 22, 2004 12:26:10 pm PST #3661 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

LJ, I think it was in the Toronto Star online, last Thursday or Friday. Entitled something like "Chick Lit Invades Ireland" or something.