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The Great Write Way  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


deborah grabien - Jan 11, 2004 9:43:38 pm PST #3038 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

(consolingly)

But two of them were close games, very close, in fact - down to the wire.

(end consolingly)


Lyra Jane - Jan 12, 2004 3:22:40 am PST #3039 of 10001
Up with the sun

I think the question writers need to ask themselves is, "OK. If I fail, so what?" Why is that such a horrible thing?

Do you want an honest answer from me?

In an immediate way, it would mean I wasted my time. I took several hours out of my busy life of playing online and watching movies to overcome my shyness/fear of people, report on something, and write it up and in return I got exactly nothing. (Yeah, experience, but experience and $3.10 will get you a skim latte.) The few times when my articles have been killed for one reason or another, I've been pissy for this reason -- it's not so much that I thought it was the greatest article of all time as it is the time I put into it.

On a grander level, it plays into my ongoing insecurities. I've read enough and written enough to know that I'm ... spectacularly mediocre as a writer. I'm good enough to be a working writer, in that I can put sentences together and understand the basics of how published writing is structured. Am I good enough to be published as a freelancer? Probably not, especially since I suck at coming up with ideas for articles. You may need to try to succeed -- but it seems to me that you also need to try to be a failure in the world, as opposed to only in your head.

Sorry to vent. I'm just really annoyed with myself because I keep going in circles on this -- I hate what I'm doing/The only way out is freelancing/I'm afraid to freelance/Okay then.

I assume at some point in my life, I'll get out of the circle and stop being so goddamn miserable whenever I think of my "career." I'm just having a hard time picturing myself taking that step.


erikaj - Jan 12, 2004 4:38:11 am PST #3040 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Why does it matter? It's just my identity.If I blow that, I'm just another SSI recipient with unrealistic goals. Or the Dumpster Sex Gal.(actually I prefer that one...I created it.) It would be like admitting that my writing is really technically sophisticated masturbation. No pressure, huh?


victor infante - Jan 12, 2004 6:37:55 am PST #3041 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Fear. Fear is something I need to take a good, long look at, I think, as I pursue this course. Lord knows I've been there myself, and can relate.

Since college,my writing career has been at the center of my identity. Even when I've worked other jobs (telemarketing! bookstore manager! hauling christmas trees!) it's always how I've seen myself. The long stretches of not being bale to write have been anguish.

I've read enough and written enough to know that I'm ... spectacularly mediocre as a writer. I'm good enough to be a working writer, in that I can put sentences together and understand the basics of how published writing is structured. Am I good enough to be published as a freelancer? Probably not, especially since I suck at coming up with ideas for articles. You may need to try to succeed -- but it seems to me that you also need to try to be a failure in the world, as opposed to only in your head.

Hmm. Freelancing is a rough road, and I've done itlong enough to know. Still, there are always options. Newspapers always need stringers, and while town meetings and such are hardly exciting, they do build up your resume and give you experience. Plus, they write themselves.

Or the Dumpster Sex Gal.(actually I prefer that one...I created it.)

Bwahahahahaha!

It would be like admitting that my writing is really technically sophisticated masturbation. No pressure, huh?
You say that like there's something wrong with it.


erikaj - Jan 12, 2004 7:09:55 am PST #3042 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

mmm...maybe that's why I type one-handed. But very few people devote their life to wank. Alex Portnoy maybe...the Munchkin(in between murders) Seriously, I've been published before,made a very few dollars, even. Nobody EVER asks me about those pieces. Put a couple detectives in a garbage dumpster, and everybody knows your pseud. It's like "Cheers" with porn.


Lyra Jane - Jan 12, 2004 7:15:20 am PST #3043 of 10001
Up with the sun

Newspapers always need stringers, and while town meetings and such are hardly exciting, they do build up your resume and give you experience. Plus, they write themselves.

I think this is usually a great way to get started, Would you give the same advice to someone who had writing experience but wanted to do something different, especially if that person had little-to-no interest in newspaper work?

(My experience is mostly in newsletter reporting. I want to write features/reviews/magazine pieces/etc., and freelancing seems like an easier way to get to a point where I can do that than the "starting at the bottom" route. hence the "I have no ideas, therefore I suck," dance. The time factor for stringing would also be hard, especially with a full time job and no car. But it's possible I'm going about this all wrong.)


erikaj - Jan 12, 2004 7:21:06 am PST #3044 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

LJ, I love/ hate that dance. I'm the Arthur Murray of that one.


Astarte - Jan 12, 2004 7:25:28 am PST #3045 of 10001
Not having has never been the thing I've regretted most in my life. Not trying is.

Lyra, what kind of writing do you want to do? And what "reward" do you want to get from it?

I've been thinking about this a lot myself lately, and surprised myself with some of the answers.

I'm skipping and playing hooky from work for a few minutes, so I don't really have time to elaborate at the moment, unfortunately.


victor infante - Jan 12, 2004 7:37:14 am PST #3046 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Would you give the same advice to someone who had writing experience but wanted to do something different, especially if that person had little-to-no interest in newspaper work?

Sometimes. I've gone back that dirtection a number of times, and see no dishonor it, and if it helps you build toward where you want to go, then certainly.

Otherwise, I forget which part of the world you're in, but alternative newsweeklies are good markets, as are rock mags and the like. But really, the problem seems to be developing ideas to pitch here. I think you may just have to not psyche yourself out of it. Don't feel you have to pitch somethin monumental. Small ideas usually work well, and are accomplishable.


deborah grabien - Jan 12, 2004 7:43:02 am PST #3047 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

In an immediate way, it would mean I wasted my time

See, if you're talking about non-fiction, I can follow that reasoning. But if you're talking about fiction, then I think you're talking Martian. If you're compelled to write, if that's what it is you do, then how on earth can you measure your own originality as "wasted time"? That's beyond me.

If the only possible measure of the worth of my time spent writing was a paycheque, I'd have hung myself years ago. I don't get that. Do I want to get paid and have people like what I do? Certainly. Is it the reason I write? Hell the fuck no.

You may need to try to succeed -- but it seems to me that you also need to try to be a failure in the world, as opposed to only in your head.

Yup - and that's what I said, earlier. You go completely after one ideal, you get to deal with it's Janus-face. They're both part of the cycle of breathing, so you (disclaimer: all use of the word "you" indicates Everyman, not any one individual "you") won't get anywhere without doing your best to grok both of them.