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Alibelle - Nov 06, 2002 10:41:23 pm PST #176 of 10001
Apart from sports, "my secret favorite thing on earth is ketchup. I will put ketchup on anything. But it has to be Heinz." - my husband, Michael Vartan

The fairy tale connection is explicitly stated, and I've referenced the fairy tales. People just wanted in-story synopses. I think I've just talked myself into ignoring their ignorant butts. It's not my fault if they don't remember basic fairy tales. If they don't get the allusion, that's their loss.


DavidS - Nov 06, 2002 10:50:45 pm PST #177 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

If they don't get the allusion, that's their loss.

That's true. Personally, I prefer the subtle allusion. The off-the-cuff, glancing, slight, illuminating, interesting, tricky allusion. Not so big on the "I've rewritten Les Miserables as a Law and Order episode" way.


Alibelle - Nov 06, 2002 10:57:09 pm PST #178 of 10001
Apart from sports, "my secret favorite thing on earth is ketchup. I will put ketchup on anything. But it has to be Heinz." - my husband, Michael Vartan

Yay! Validation. Yeah, subtle allusions are much better.


Connie Neil - Nov 07, 2002 12:20:20 am PST #179 of 10001
brillig

Second on the validation. They're not so much fairy tales as cultural touchstones, anyway. If they don't understand the basic metaphors of Western civilizaton, you alone aren't going to fix it.


Rebecca Lizard - Nov 07, 2002 7:26:21 am PST #180 of 10001
You sip / say it's your crazy / straw say it's you're crazy / as you bicycle your soul / with beauty in your basket

I'll validate you, Ali, too. I think they're wrong.


erikaj - Nov 07, 2002 8:20:52 am PST #181 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

I think they are *deeply* stupid, and probably still need to be reminded to wash their hands. But don't lead with that, unless you hate them.


Alibelle - Nov 07, 2002 4:51:46 pm PST #182 of 10001
Apart from sports, "my secret favorite thing on earth is ketchup. I will put ketchup on anything. But it has to be Heinz." - my husband, Michael Vartan

Well, I don't greatly respect their opinions, but I don't hate them. And despite the quote up in the right hand corner, I'm accepting all validation. Thanks, guys.


Am-Chau Yarkona - Nov 08, 2002 3:13:38 am PST #183 of 10001
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

More validation- I vastly prefer the subtle allusion. The one even people who recognise it have to take a second to think about before they're sure they've got it. Of course, if you do it too often- like me- you tend to sound insufferably clever or trying to sound overly educated, like Thomas Hardy, but that isn't as bad as making it to obvious.


Alibelle - Nov 08, 2002 3:28:47 pm PST #184 of 10001
Apart from sports, "my secret favorite thing on earth is ketchup. I will put ketchup on anything. But it has to be Heinz." - my husband, Michael Vartan

Thank you, Am-Chau! And hi! Nice to meet you!


Anne W. - Nov 08, 2002 4:49:34 pm PST #185 of 10001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

I agree with Am-Chau (nice to meet you, by the by!). When the allusions are just subtle enough that you have to think about them for a second, it's a thrill when you recognize (or think you recognize) one. It gives you the sort of feeling you get with an in-joke or a shout out, or it can give you the joy of a "Eureka!" sort of moment.

When things are spelled out too clearly, I sometimes feel as if the author is being patronizing.