You know what they say about payback? Well I'm the bitch.

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The Great Write Way  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


deborah grabien - Jul 12, 2003 1:36:04 pm PDT #1571 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Oh dear.

I am halfway through the edits and commentary. My comments are now at six typewritten pages and they're getting progressively crankier.

Oh dear oh dear oh dear dear dear.

For every line of show, there are fifty of tell.

Shoot me now...


Ms. Havisham - Jul 12, 2003 1:40:07 pm PDT #1572 of 10001
And we will call it... "This Land."

Is there anything nice to be said about it at all?


deborah grabien - Jul 12, 2003 1:43:41 pm PDT #1573 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Well - they're very nice people.

That's, well, yes.

That's all I got.

(banging head against monitor)


Ms. Havisham - Jul 12, 2003 1:48:39 pm PDT #1574 of 10001
And we will call it... "This Land."

Ouch. On both counts.

Hope you're going with the chapter-by-chapter tutoring and hopefully they'll start to realize what they need to do on their own plan. Cause ultimately, it's their story and not yours so you shouldn't bleed yourself dry over it.

And hey, less-than-perfect manuscripts get published all the time.


deborah grabien - Jul 12, 2003 1:52:12 pm PDT #1575 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Ms H, that's recisely what I'm doing - they've already been told, anything more than this and we're in the ghosting range, and ghosting is $4-$5K, except that I. Don't. Wanna.

This isn't less than perfect; it's not publishable. It reads like a cross between a series of gossip sheet press releases and someone's idea for a movie of the week teleplay treatment.

Oh well. Off to Woodside, to have dinner with a real writer, damnit. Not to mention a real editor; Deb B was Editor In Chief of Orion Press and maybe she can tell me how to cope with this junk.


Ms. Havisham - Jul 12, 2003 1:57:07 pm PDT #1576 of 10001
And we will call it... "This Land."

Maybe you can point them toward an online crit group?

That's all I got. I'm off to dinner too.


Consuela - Jul 12, 2003 2:15:27 pm PDT #1577 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Deb, I feel your pain as well. I've done what you're doing, but only for very very short pieces. It hurts, and it's hard as hell.

You're a good friend, and I hope they learn from the experience.


deborah grabien - Jul 12, 2003 10:52:48 pm PDT #1578 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

A nice evening with Tad tonight, and Deb's advice was stinging and to the point: tell them what you've got. Show them the difference. Tell them to take notes. Then cut them loose. They haven't done their writerly homework in the basics.


deborah grabien - Jul 13, 2003 2:04:00 pm PDT #1579 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

So, I sent the BNNs (Bad Novel Not-Novelists) the following email:

OK - I've put a large chunk of the past three days into this, and we need to get together to discuss this. I have about twelve pages of notes (typewritten), and then I gave up. We need to sit down and go over what's wrong here.

I don't want to be discouraging about this, but I have to tell you, while I think you may be able to fix it, the book has some serious fundamental problems - as in, you've missed on the basics of writing fiction - associated with it. You're going to need to perform some major basic surgery on this - literally, from the ground up - before you give this to an agent or an editor to read. Right now, going by the first 55 pages, this isn't publishable fiction.

We should get together, you should bring notebooks or other devices with which to take notes, and we can go over this.

Did you want to do this tomorrow? If you're committed to fixing it, the sooner the better, I'd say.

And, that's all, folks. I'll meet with them, scream at them, collect my hundred bucks (which is really, really not enough for the headache I've got, thanks to worrying at this bloody excuse for a book), and then it's their problem.

In the immortal words of Popeye - that's all I can stands, I can't stands no more.


Betsy HP - Jul 13, 2003 2:18:05 pm PDT #1580 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

You did the right thing, Deb.