Sometimes I miss having powers... Oh. Oh! I know what this is! This is peer pressure! Any second now you're gonna make me smoke tobacco and--and have drugs!

Anya ,'Showtime'


Natter 46: The FIGHTIN' 46  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - Sep 15, 2006 12:10:55 pm PDT #8356 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Re: North

Oh, poor boo. So badly used by the industry. Did anyone fall for it?


amych - Sep 15, 2006 12:15:46 pm PDT #8357 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Blufr is officially too much fun.


Kathy A - Sep 15, 2006 12:26:21 pm PDT #8358 of 10001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Time for some Friday Fluff:

Cute cat pics alert!


§ ita § - Sep 15, 2006 12:28:24 pm PDT #8359 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

How dare you tell me this is the first you've heard of it? You're referring me back to an email chain that has you as the first recipient three months ago! And the rest of the entries are you being pinged on the issue's status!


Connie Neil - Sep 15, 2006 12:30:40 pm PDT #8360 of 10001
brillig

More cute kitty pictures to put in my screen saver slide show.


Aims - Sep 15, 2006 12:32:05 pm PDT #8361 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

I WANT AN ORANGE KITTY!


Lee - Sep 15, 2006 12:34:48 pm PDT #8362 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

ME TOO!!


brenda m - Sep 15, 2006 12:38:48 pm PDT #8363 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Migraines have made me...baser.

Oh sure, the migraines did it.


Steph L. - Sep 15, 2006 1:43:02 pm PDT #8364 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

I'm coming in on the tail end of the kink discussion, but being me, I can't resist putting in my .02 (and then some).

What is kink, and how does it differ from fetish? And how do both differ from preference?

"Kink" is, I think, a generic, all-purpose broad term that's used by most people to refer to "sexual activity that doesn't match up with the cultural norm." And the thing is, when you let that term be so broad and all-purpose, that can encompass bondage, men wearing women's lingerie, sex with animals, fire play, wearing diapers -- and about a billion other things.

The term is used even more generically to describe what turns someone on, whether or not it's "kinky" in the deviant sense of the word. (I'm thinking here of ficcers who refer to their "bulletproof kink" in fanfic, which doesn't have to be deviant-kinky; it's just the thing that they really really dig.)

So, the term "kink" is generic enough as to not have much meaning, but in general, people seem to agree that it means "sexual activity outside the cultural norm."

"Fetish," on the other hand, is a very specific term -- or is meant to be -- and refers to something that a person *needs* in order to have a fulfilling sexual experience.

Like, when *I* say that I have a big-hand fetish, I'm actually using the term wrong. I don't need a partner with big hands in order to have a fulfilling sexual experience. I just like big hands.

So I'm arguing that "kink" by definition requires an element of "bentness" to it. That it has something to do with the individual's relationship to their own sexuality, and that happens within a larger cultural notion of what's normative.

I would agree that "kink" is definitely "bent" in relation to the larger cultural idea of what's normative.

It is less arguable that all sexual practices which deviate from cultural norms require a core fucked-upedness. Though I tend to think that is probably true in most instances.

But I don't agree with this. Though I'm wondering what you mean by "fucked up." Because when I think of it, I think of someone who's damaged in some way. And that leads me to 2 thoughts: (1) we are ALL fucked up, yo. And I'm not remotely kidding. (2) "Fucked up" as shorthand for "damaged" isn't really accurate when it comes to "kink." Yes, there are kinky people who are fucked up, but there are plenty of vanilla-only people who are fucked up, too. Correlation is not causation. If a person is kinky, that doesn't mean that they're fucked up. Or, at the very least, that doesn't mean that their kink has its origins in being fucked up. That's more the kind of thing that you hear about with serial killers and child molesters, isn't it?

t /not an authority on kink, just a fan


Connie Neil - Sep 15, 2006 1:47:27 pm PDT #8365 of 10001
brillig

From CNN

(CNN) -- There are now 95 cases of E. coli in as many as 20 states, a government source has told CNN.

Here is the updated case counts by state from the Centers for Disease Control: California (1), Connecticut (2), Idaho (3), Indiana (4), Kentucky (3), Maine (2), Michigan (6), Minnesota (1), New Mexico (5), Nevada (1), New York (7), Ohio (7), Oregon (5), Pennsylvania (3), Tennessee (1), Utah (11), Virginia (1), Washington (1), Wisconsin (30), West Virginia (1). Total: 95

Of those, one has died (in Wisconsin) and 29 are hospitalized. (Posted 6:35 p.m.)

11 in Utah. Makes me glad I hate spinach.