Also,
It follows that every observation of something which is not black and also not a raven is evidence that ravens are black.
No it doesn't.
Jeez, don't get all Movie of the Week. I was just too cheap to buy you a real present.
Dawn ,'The Killer In Me'
Natter 46: The FIGHTIN' 46
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
tommyrot - Sep 06, 2006 2:05:15 pm PDT #6422 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
Allyson - Sep 06, 2006 2:07:27 pm PDT #6423 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
from the fallacy link: Shifting the burden of proof: challenging the audience to disprove the argument.
Anyone have an example of this? I think my brain is skipping. I don't get it.
§ ita § - Sep 06, 2006 2:08:45 pm PDT #6424 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
No it doesn't.
If the implication means that both statements are equivalent, proof of one is proof of the other. Which is where I'd start to unravel the whole thing.
I'm trying to read the article, and it's irritating me. I scooted back to the digg page that took me there and just one person notes the dumbness of the opening paragraph. They say:
For anyone who's curious about the intro to the article: The observation that "all ravens are black" is logically equivalent to "all non-black things are not ravens" is trivial. Hempel's point, not mentioned in the article, was that any theory of scientific confirmation that had it that statements of the form "all As are B" are (partially confirmed) by an observation of an A that is B (e.g. any thoery that has it that each black raven observed further confirms the claim that all ravens are black) would logically have to have it that each not-B not-A also confirms it (e.g. observing any non-black non-raven would confirm "all ravens are black")
§ ita § - Sep 06, 2006 2:10:11 pm PDT #6425 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Anyone have an example of this? I think my brain is skipping. I don't get it.
ita: All cats are black
Allyson: Bullshit
ita: Prove it.
Okay, that's trite. But my basic pov is that if you state it, the burden of proof is on you. In more abstract scenarios with a lot more talking, the above does happen way too often.
tommyrot - Sep 06, 2006 2:10:53 pm PDT #6426 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
Anyone have an example of this? I think my brain is skipping. I don't get it.
I can't think of a good example.
OK, "Aliens live among us. You don't agree? Then how do you know they don't?" I mean, the logical flaw is obvious in that example. But as a rhetorical device, the flaw doesn't have to be obvious, and a non-obvious one would make a better example.
msbelle - Sep 06, 2006 2:12:27 pm PDT #6427 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb
I think you can go to any political blog and find examples of it Allyson. People who employ it tend to make me want to spew so I avoid them.
Allyson - Sep 06, 2006 2:22:37 pm PDT #6428 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
Okay, that makes sense. Is that a play on "The Lurkers Support Me in Email" do you think?
Lee - Sep 06, 2006 2:25:52 pm PDT #6429 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.
I want a milkshake, which is weird, since I don't normally like them very much.
§ ita § - Sep 06, 2006 2:27:29 pm PDT #6430 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
It would be really cool if I could work out how to get Project to show me a list of the tasks with completion dates in the next two weeks in a format I can cut and paste into emails or Word.
It is weird that I'm not sure how much of the silhouette of my shoulders is me and how much is the clothing. My traps may have achieved a life of their own.
And I'd really like to stop shying away from things that make me think of Marni.
JZ - Sep 06, 2006 2:29:19 pm PDT #6431 of 10001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.
Stepping in a bit late, but please count me in among the "No such thing as too much Mac news" crowd.