No shit.
edit: That was to amych, but works well to Jesse
Lydia: But you are a vampire. Spike: If I'm not, I'm gonna be pissed about drinking all that blood.
'Potential'
Natter 46: The FIGHTIN' 46
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
§ ita § - Sep 06, 2006 1:48:02 pm PDT #6416 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
§ ita § - Sep 06, 2006 1:54:36 pm PDT #6417 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Okay, some googling reveals:
Hempel's confirmation paradox. According to Boolean logic, "all ravens are black" is equivalent to "all nonblack entities are nonravens". That is,schematically, "(raven --> black) --> (not-black --> not-raven)". This is a straightforward consequence of the standard definition of implication. But is it not the case that, if A and B are equivalent hypotheses, evidence in favor of B is evidence in favor of A. It follows that every observation of something which is not black and also not a raven is evidence that ravens are black. This is patently absurd.
Okay, that makes sense. In that it's not supposed to. Now I'm going to read the rest of the article guardedly.
Topic!Cindy - Sep 06, 2006 1:56:05 pm PDT #6418 of 10001
What is even happening?
I just got spam from "doesnt exist." I think it was trying to take my money.
Narrator?
msbelle - Sep 06, 2006 1:59:06 pm PDT #6419 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb
tommyrot - Sep 06, 2006 1:59:43 pm PDT #6420 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
Uh, what's weird about that?
Yeah, it's your standard, run-of-the-mill contrapositive.
Sheryl - Sep 06, 2006 2:04:07 pm PDT #6421 of 10001
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"
Timelies all!
Happy Birthday Flea!
Yay for msbelle and mac!
Woke up this morning with a pain in my hip(actually in the area where the leg meets the hip). Actually, I woke up =because= of the pain. I didn't think I was that restless a sleeper.
tommyrot - Sep 06, 2006 2:05:15 pm PDT #6422 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
Also,
It follows that every observation of something which is not black and also not a raven is evidence that ravens are black.
No it doesn't.
Allyson - Sep 06, 2006 2:07:27 pm PDT #6423 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
from the fallacy link: Shifting the burden of proof: challenging the audience to disprove the argument.
Anyone have an example of this? I think my brain is skipping. I don't get it.
§ ita § - Sep 06, 2006 2:08:45 pm PDT #6424 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
No it doesn't.
If the implication means that both statements are equivalent, proof of one is proof of the other. Which is where I'd start to unravel the whole thing.
I'm trying to read the article, and it's irritating me. I scooted back to the digg page that took me there and just one person notes the dumbness of the opening paragraph. They say:
For anyone who's curious about the intro to the article: The observation that "all ravens are black" is logically equivalent to "all non-black things are not ravens" is trivial. Hempel's point, not mentioned in the article, was that any theory of scientific confirmation that had it that statements of the form "all As are B" are (partially confirmed) by an observation of an A that is B (e.g. any thoery that has it that each black raven observed further confirms the claim that all ravens are black) would logically have to have it that each not-B not-A also confirms it (e.g. observing any non-black non-raven would confirm "all ravens are black")
§ ita § - Sep 06, 2006 2:10:11 pm PDT #6425 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Anyone have an example of this? I think my brain is skipping. I don't get it.
ita: All cats are black
Allyson: Bullshit
ita: Prove it.
Okay, that's trite. But my basic pov is that if you state it, the burden of proof is on you. In more abstract scenarios with a lot more talking, the above does happen way too often.