Awww. Thanks, man! From your mouth...

Also, when you watch a lot of crime related dramas and a lot of true crime shows on A&E, you see a LOT of overlap. Spot the real life inspiration is a fun game.

And, oddly, not the first person to write a "My dad killed Elizabeth Short" book.

Daddy Was the Black Dahlia Killer.

I swear, this writing gig doesn't work out and I'm opening a Black Dahlia bookstore.

Well, you take approximately 200 books, fiction and non-fiction, written about the Black Dahlia, including the ones written by people who think their Daddy did it. Plus the number of true crime TV specials that re-investigate the murder every few years. Add in one upcoming movie and the aforementioned Hunter episode and I do think Elizabeth Short wins by a landslide.

That only equals "notorious among people who already have an interest" to me. I dunno. Your Notoriety May Vary. You don't need to seek any information out to have a vague idea about what a movie titled "Jack the Ripper" (or, say, "Hoffa,") will deal with. Those mysteries are still part of the culture. If the Black Dahlia case were still that infamous they wouldn't need to explain that it's about a real mystery in the trailer.

Vortex -- James Ellroy's mother was murdered when he was young, and he wrote the book that the movie's based on.

I thought we were comparing it to the Zodiac. I think I missed the Jack the Ripper reference in my scrolling.

Your Notoriety May Vary.

And time will tell. Maybe in another twenty years they'll be equally notorious.

ETA: I also think there should be separate criteria for a single murder vs. multiple related murders.

I also think there should be separate criteria for a single murder vs. multiple related murders.

I think there's a difference between notorious murders and notorious murderers. Jack the Ripper is notorious--I bet many people who've heard of him couldn't tell you how many people he killed, or what the profession was. Black Dahlia is about the murder and the victim.

Hoffa's about the victim too. But Hoffa was a name beforehand anyway.

Plus Michael Cudlitz,

yeah, but the HRT guy is such a flaming asshole. His character could be just as effective without being a jerk. I don't want him to be a one note character, all cowboy and no cattle , you know?

Fuck. Premieres of new shows. I keep forgetting. I wish that was because I had a life, or something.

I've had 9/21 marked in my planner for a long time. Then I found out CSI is on at the same time and I had a wicked tantrum at work today.

My TiVo's already full. I think the full and fun summer sessions are to blame for me not thirsting for new things to add to my season passes. Of course I want to watch SpyDaddy and Gina Torres. But I just finished The 4400 and Dead Zone, and there's still the finale of Closer to watch. Meanwhile, Eureka's going strong.

No thirst.

Ah, sorry. In head I had a coherent point, which on review I didn't express very clearly, and then confusion reigned. Really, I'm just saying that to me it's more of a "once-notorious" case than something everyone today would recognize. I do suspect that slightly more people would recognize "Zodiac Killer," if only because it's more recent.

At least, I think that was my point. Lord knows.

Tonight's lesson is, I shouldn't rewrite my posts so much. Especially when it's late.

I don't think I've ever heard of the Zodiac Killer, but I came at this all bass ackwards. But assuming more people have heard of him/her, it's separate for me, since it's about the killer and not the killed.

I think.