Nothin'. I just wanted you to face me so she could get behind ya.

Mal ,'The Train Job'


Natter 46: The FIGHTIN' 46  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - Sep 05, 2006 8:27:08 pm PDT #6171 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I also think there should be separate criteria for a single murder vs. multiple related murders.

I think there's a difference between notorious murders and notorious murderers. Jack the Ripper is notorious--I bet many people who've heard of him couldn't tell you how many people he killed, or what the profession was. Black Dahlia is about the murder and the victim.

Hoffa's about the victim too. But Hoffa was a name beforehand anyway.


Vortex - Sep 05, 2006 8:29:55 pm PDT #6172 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Plus Michael Cudlitz,

yeah, but the HRT guy is such a flaming asshole. His character could be just as effective without being a jerk. I don't want him to be a one note character, all cowboy and no cattle , you know?


§ ita § - Sep 05, 2006 8:31:20 pm PDT #6173 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Fuck. Premieres of new shows. I keep forgetting. I wish that was because I had a life, or something.


Aims - Sep 05, 2006 8:35:24 pm PDT #6174 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

I've had 9/21 marked in my planner for a long time. Then I found out CSI is on at the same time and I had a wicked tantrum at work today.


§ ita § - Sep 05, 2006 8:38:42 pm PDT #6175 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

My TiVo's already full. I think the full and fun summer sessions are to blame for me not thirsting for new things to add to my season passes. Of course I want to watch SpyDaddy and Gina Torres. But I just finished The 4400 and Dead Zone, and there's still the finale of Closer to watch. Meanwhile, Eureka's going strong.

No thirst.


Strega - Sep 05, 2006 8:43:30 pm PDT #6176 of 10001

Ah, sorry. In head I had a coherent point, which on review I didn't express very clearly, and then confusion reigned. Really, I'm just saying that to me it's more of a "once-notorious" case than something everyone today would recognize. I do suspect that slightly more people would recognize "Zodiac Killer," if only because it's more recent.

At least, I think that was my point. Lord knows.

Tonight's lesson is, I shouldn't rewrite my posts so much. Especially when it's late.


§ ita § - Sep 05, 2006 8:52:45 pm PDT #6177 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't think I've ever heard of the Zodiac Killer, but I came at this all bass ackwards. But assuming more people have heard of him/her, it's separate for me, since it's about the killer and not the killed.

I think.


-t - Sep 05, 2006 10:08:32 pm PDT #6178 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Jack the Ripper is notorious--I bet many people who've heard of him couldn't tell you how many people he killed, or what the profession was.

People would know Jack the Ripper killed someone but not know it was a bunch of prostitutes? That would surprise me.


Cashmere - Sep 06, 2006 1:23:15 am PDT #6179 of 10001
Now tagless for your comfort.

OK, here's a question: In the ads for the Black Dahlia movie, they keep qualifying everything with "in California history." What more notorious unsolved murder is there elsewhere in the country?

My own choice has Hollywood ties--Bob Crane's murder. More sex, less noir.


Tom Scola - Sep 06, 2006 1:44:08 am PDT #6180 of 10001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

There was a goofy book a few years ago that claimed that Orson Welles was the Black Dahlia killer. He apparently was acquainted with the victim, and he had this fascination with stage magic; hence the sawing in half .