'Safe'
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
That's not what he told the good child, Beverly. He tells him, "You are always with me, and everything I have is yours. We're celebrating because your brother was lost, and now he's found. He was dead (the "to us" is implicit), and now he's alive." And of course, that was a parable, not an account.
What I get for accepting what I was taught in Sunday School...
More than half of Americans believe in Creationism/ID/Not!Darwin....
Holy crap. That's boggling. Of course, I believe that the whole shebang was indeed created, by some kind of intelligence, but in my mind those are both "why/to what [Pooh case] Purpose" questions and don't interfere in the least with accepting that Darwin and the various brilliant folks who've followed him are perfectly right about the mechanics of the how and to what small-p purpose.
Is there any breakdown of that more than half by specific faith/sect? 'Cause, thinking it over, I don't know if I've ever met anyone in my own sect who believes in young-earth creationism.
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Maybe one person. Maybe the one. But just the one. I think.
Holy crap. That's boggling. Of course, I believe that the whole shebang was indeed created, by some kind of intelligence, but in my mind those are both "why/to what [Pooh case] Purpose" questions and don't interfere in the least with accepting that Darwin and the various brilliant folks who've followed him are perfectly right about the mechanics of the how and to what small-p purpose.
I'll just let JZ speak for me from now on.
BB: AS watchers-- who do you think will get thrown out tonight, and do you think there is any reason to care?
Timelies all!
Hmmm, conversations about religion/belief and boobage running side-by-side...must be Natter!
BB: AS watchers
I always get a twinge when I see that, because there's invariably a millisecond when I think "Ben Browder watchers? HELLS YEAH," and then I remember Big Brother and get all disappointed.
I'll just let JZ speak for me from now on.
Except for the gracious and elegant world of tea lore and rituals, in which I entirely defer to you.
Cindy, I'm sure lots of people actively interpret the Bible and think about context and metaphors and so on. I have trouble with the idea that those people are incapable of doing the same thing to interpret a survey question.Have you ever taken a survey and found you picked the answer that is closest to right-for-you, because is exactly right-for-you isn't there? I could certainly see myself picking "literally true" in a survey, if there wasn't another description that better fit my beliefs, and yet I'm far from a biblical literalist on a lot of issues (although I am literalist on others).
I could certainly see myself picking "literally true" in a survey
If I'm reading Strega correctly, the survey questions were phrased, "Do you believe this is literally true? Yes or no?" In your case, where you don't believe some events are literally true in the strictest sense but have your own interpretation as to their literalness, wouldn't "No" be the soundest answer? I think what Strega is getting at is that the questions were very specific; even when questioned about specific events like the time for creation of the earth and the age of the planet, respondents still claimed they believed in the literal truth.
I found this report, which does have a wider variety of choices in the Gallup poll:
Human beings have developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God guided this process 38%
Human beings have developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God had no part in this process 13%
God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years or so 45%
Different or no opinion 4%
The Bible is the actual word of God and is to be taken literally, word for word 34%
The Bible is the inspired word of God but not everything in it should be taken literally 48%
The Bible is an ancient book of fables, legends, history, and moral precepts recorded by man 15%
No Opinion 3%
The Bible is the inspired word of God but not everything in it should be taken literally 48%
The Bible is an ancient book of fables, legends, history, and moral precepts recorded by man 15%
Huh. I would have wanted an option in between those two (although I suppose that's splitting hairs about the definition of "inspired word").
ETA: No, I don't think it is splitting hairs. My understanding of the way I was raised is definitely in between those two and not appropriately represented by either one. Not that I'm blaming anyone here. Just interesting.
I really don't want to get dressed and leave the house again, but I must.
Also, I need a dress to wear to a wedding Saturday, and everything I have looks like crap. It's either too big or too small.