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Natter 46: The FIGHTIN' 46  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


JZ - Aug 03, 2006 1:00:07 pm PDT #437 of 10001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

More than half of Americans believe in Creationism/ID/Not!Darwin....

Holy crap. That's boggling. Of course, I believe that the whole shebang was indeed created, by some kind of intelligence, but in my mind those are both "why/to what [Pooh case] Purpose" questions and don't interfere in the least with accepting that Darwin and the various brilliant folks who've followed him are perfectly right about the mechanics of the how and to what small-p purpose.

Is there any breakdown of that more than half by specific faith/sect? 'Cause, thinking it over, I don't know if I've ever met anyone in my own sect who believes in young-earth creationism.

t thinks

Maybe one person. Maybe the one. But just the one. I think.


sj - Aug 03, 2006 1:02:06 pm PDT #438 of 10001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Holy crap. That's boggling. Of course, I believe that the whole shebang was indeed created, by some kind of intelligence, but in my mind those are both "why/to what [Pooh case] Purpose" questions and don't interfere in the least with accepting that Darwin and the various brilliant folks who've followed him are perfectly right about the mechanics of the how and to what small-p purpose.

I'll just let JZ speak for me from now on.


Lee - Aug 03, 2006 1:04:13 pm PDT #439 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

BB: AS watchers-- who do you think will get thrown out tonight, and do you think there is any reason to care?


Sheryl - Aug 03, 2006 1:08:43 pm PDT #440 of 10001
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

Timelies all!

Hmmm, conversations about religion/belief and boobage running side-by-side...must be Natter!


JZ - Aug 03, 2006 1:10:08 pm PDT #441 of 10001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

BB: AS watchers

I always get a twinge when I see that, because there's invariably a millisecond when I think "Ben Browder watchers? HELLS YEAH," and then I remember Big Brother and get all disappointed.

I'll just let JZ speak for me from now on.

Except for the gracious and elegant world of tea lore and rituals, in which I entirely defer to you.


Topic!Cindy - Aug 03, 2006 1:14:19 pm PDT #442 of 10001
What is even happening?

Cindy, I'm sure lots of people actively interpret the Bible and think about context and metaphors and so on. I have trouble with the idea that those people are incapable of doing the same thing to interpret a survey question.
Have you ever taken a survey and found you picked the answer that is closest to right-for-you, because is exactly right-for-you isn't there? I could certainly see myself picking "literally true" in a survey, if there wasn't another description that better fit my beliefs, and yet I'm far from a biblical literalist on a lot of issues (although I am literalist on others).


Polter-Cow - Aug 03, 2006 1:20:21 pm PDT #443 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I could certainly see myself picking "literally true" in a survey

If I'm reading Strega correctly, the survey questions were phrased, "Do you believe this is literally true? Yes or no?" In your case, where you don't believe some events are literally true in the strictest sense but have your own interpretation as to their literalness, wouldn't "No" be the soundest answer? I think what Strega is getting at is that the questions were very specific; even when questioned about specific events like the time for creation of the earth and the age of the planet, respondents still claimed they believed in the literal truth.

I found this report, which does have a wider variety of choices in the Gallup poll:

Human beings have developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God guided this process 38%
Human beings have developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God had no part in this process 13%
God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years or so 45%
Different or no opinion 4%

The Bible is the actual word of God and is to be taken literally, word for word 34%
The Bible is the inspired word of God but not everything in it should be taken literally 48%
The Bible is an ancient book of fables, legends, history, and moral precepts recorded by man 15%
No Opinion 3%


Emily - Aug 03, 2006 1:50:33 pm PDT #444 of 10001
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

The Bible is the inspired word of God but not everything in it should be taken literally 48%

The Bible is an ancient book of fables, legends, history, and moral precepts recorded by man 15%

Huh. I would have wanted an option in between those two (although I suppose that's splitting hairs about the definition of "inspired word").

ETA: No, I don't think it is splitting hairs. My understanding of the way I was raised is definitely in between those two and not appropriately represented by either one. Not that I'm blaming anyone here. Just interesting.


Zenkitty - Aug 03, 2006 1:54:20 pm PDT #445 of 10001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

I really don't want to get dressed and leave the house again, but I must.

Also, I need a dress to wear to a wedding Saturday, and everything I have looks like crap. It's either too big or too small.


Narrator - Aug 03, 2006 1:54:43 pm PDT #446 of 10001
The evil is this way?

Does your family do anything to mark the day? My mother, my aunt and I used to go shopping and out to lunch on the anniversary of my grandmother's death. We haven't done it in a few years, though. It got harder, once I had the children, and the anniversary is ten days before Christmas, which makes it doubly tough. We don't really mark my father's death, though. My grandmother would have had her 100th birthday this month, so we're having a family reunion on her birthday.

Since it was the 10th year, we went to Mass. I find that we tend to do things now on the "bigger" anniversaries of events.

Going to mass (not at my regular church) lead to an odd moment that ended up making me smile. Since it was a weekday service the priest invited the attendees to say their invocations out loud. An older man said that since we are in The End Times, he prayed for the Jews to convert to Catholicism.

Which started me thinking First, we’re in “The End Times”? I know some protestant sects believe that, but we Catholics do too? Sheesh. Are we going to be Raptured too? Because I was thinking that could be tough if it happens while I’m driving.

Second, that was a rather exclusive prayer -- just the Jews? We don’t want the Buddhists, the Hindus, the Muslims, the Wicca, etc? (It was sort of like the scene in “Blazing Saddles” in which the townspeople were discussing whether to allow the railroad workers to join them – ”We’ll take the N------ and the Ch----, but we don’t want the Irish.”) So, no matter how old we are (the Catholic Church is 2000+), I guess we still want our parents’ approval. My mother would have appreciated that. Which made me smile.