Also, have you seen the pecs and upper arms boxing builds after years of practice? Considers whether ceiling rafters in apartment can support a punching bag...

I gather that speed and accuracy are more important in a fight than piling on extra force, once you cross the threshold of being able to hurt your opponent.

Considers whether ceiling rafters in apartment can support a punching bag...

Depends on how big and heavy the bag is. I had a small, 50lb bag that I used for some light punching--really to just get some of my frustration out so it wasn't like I was using it for really heavy workouts.

Thanks, everyone.

Today, I am going out for lunch, which shall include pie. This evening, I shall be shopping for school supplies. Hooray spending not-my-money!

those were the three categories stated in the quoted section

You forgot Muay Thai. That's why I didn't realise what you were doing.

absent a formal system of rules, karate and TKD can both hold their own against boxing, and moreso

Based on what evidence? I need to step up and say I hate martial arts efficacy discussions, because martial artists fight, not martial arts.

There's little use in trying to normalise inside and outside competition. Boxing is competition. How do you normalise for outside the ring? What happens in TKD and karate competition depends entirely on whose rules you're using in which federation. How do you normalise that?

why can't I begin a general riff/discussion without your asking me to turn it into a formal logic proof?

I didn't understand your point. I like understanding the points. But if you're not talking to me (I didn't figure you weren't, since I was the only person who'd commented on the post so far) I can let it slide. If you are, what else am I supposed to do? I apologise for tiring you, and will ignore you at your request.

I gather that speed and accuracy are more important in a fight than piling on extra force, once you cross the threshold of being able to hurt your opponent.

That's precisely what it seems I failed to get across.

Matt, you can also buy punching bags that stand up, like this one.

And in other news, there's a new set of planets this morning.

But this throws everything off! New mnemonics are hard! (Spelling mnemonics is hard). Well, at least Pluto is still a planet. Or pluton. Whatever.

Happy Birthday, Debet!!

Thanks, Plei. Sadly, that site does not meet my friend's needs, which is a location with lots of reasonably priced pretty things. The boyfriend is all caught up in the Wedding Industrial Complex and freaking out about the thought of spending thousands of dollars. She would like to show him that hundreds of dollars is fine.

That's when you physically drag the guy to quirky antique malls. My modest antique wedding set was under $800 at one.

Or point her here: [link]

Ooh, that's a good one, thanks! Granted that apparently Monday night was the first skirmish, but she emailed him the link to a $400 ruby ring on eBay that she really liked, and he was still all alskdfj;alsk.

There's little use in trying to normalise inside and outside competition. Boxing is competition. How do you normalise for outside the ring? What happens in TKD and karate competition depends entirely on whose rules you're using in which federation. How do you normalise that?

Well, the problem with the original study is that it's comparing apples and oranges. What I was trying to do was riff on the research question, and attempt to fix the problem with the study by looking at it apple-wise, and orange-wise.

(I would suggest that boxing has a long tradition of stand-up fighting before it became a formalized, competitive sport. Kids on a playground, and their parents in a bar, have been assuming a boxing stance -- hands up at the face, jabbing with the closed fist, aiming for the head -- for a long, long time.)

I don't mean to be cranky. I just find your narrow-focus interrogation of my general-approach discussion overwhelming, and not conducive to the kind of riffing that I think works in Natter. In a formal debate, what you did would be fine; but instances like this, where you respond with considerably more literal seriousness than I think is necessary, can throw a chill on the conversation. Different conversational styles, I know, but I remember that time we talked about conversational styles, and you were surprised to find out that your style can sometimes make people squirm. I'm telling you: the above made me squirm.

No harm, no foul, just squirm.

but she emailed him the link to a $400 ruby ring on eBay that she really liked, and he was still all alskdfj;alsk.

Well, there's always the gumball machine option.

Well, there's always the gumball machine option.

It seemed like they were having a fairly weird post-feminist discussion about the whole thing, honestly. "How come I have to buy you a present? What do I get??" "My hand in marriage. Anyway, I like jewelry!" "But they say three months' salary! That's crazy!!" "Yes, it is crazy. I don't want that." "But, but... a'lksjdf;aljksdf."