I haven't kept up with the natter conversation since yesterday, so I have no idea who is saying what over there, right now.

I'm finding it very interesting, but I'm too short of time to craft the kind of comments I'd want to make in response to some posts on various things, so not actively contributing.

Cindy, stop me. Please please stop me. I'm trying to discuss the Bible, and God's nature, over in Natter with someone who views God as a psychopathic murdering warlord.

Why? Why do I get myself into these things?

Teppy, I'm just happy to see you discuss the topic without it being painful. The FAS really put you through the wringer and for a long time it seemed as if that store of knowledge you'd amassed was just lying there hurting you.

some atheists are as fundy as some of the fundiest fundies I've ever met/read,

Saw an interview with Margaret Atwood the other day where she was saying that she was raised a strict Agnostic -- and that Athiesm, by virtue of believing firmly something scientifically unprovable was just as much a religion as any other. It was v. interesting.

Teppy, I'm just happy to see you discuss the topic without it being painful.

Oh it still is, a little. But not nearly as much as it used to.

I once commented to my (ex) brother-in-law the particle physicist that scientific atheism was a fundamentalist dogma, and he about choked.

and that Athiesm, by virtue of believing firmly something scientifically unprovable was just as much a religion as any other.

Yeah, I can't agree with that. To use a quote I saw somewhere recently, for me personally, "if atheism is a religion, then "off" is a television station."

There are some flavors of athiests who do seem to have some sort of bone to pick with everyone who thinks differently. That's not inherent to athiesm, though, even deeply felt.

Yeah, I can't agree with that. To use a quote I saw somewhere recently, for me personally, "if atheism is a religion, then "off" is a television station."

That analogy bugs me though. Believing in "Off" in any way implies that there is an "On".

I was the biggest pain-in-the-ass collegiate atheist ever. There must be a God(or something) if I'm no longer doing that. Life has messed with me enough that I'm not sure enough to be a believer or an atheist.ETA: Deena, have an awesome birthday.

David, I'm listening to Shadowland and Earlier k.d. lang. Country k.d. instead of Crooner k.d..

Have you ever seen the video of her from that era where she's got her flattop and western wear and is sitting at a table with a cigarette, singing Patsy Cline? That's back in her performance art days.

Have you ever seen the video of her from that era where she's got her flattop and western wear and is sitting at a table with a cigarette, singing Patsy Cline? That's back in her performance art days.

Yep.

Have you ever seen the video of her from that era where she's got her flattop and western wear

Heh, and now I'm flashing back on SNL and Kyle McLaughlin as KD Lang.