Police procedure has changed since I was little.

Wash ,'The Message'


Natter 45: Smooth as Billy Dee Williams.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Cashmere - Jul 26, 2006 12:12:32 pm PDT #8907 of 10002
Now tagless for your comfort.

Andrea Yate's story isn't even the most horrific. This woman was found not guilty by reason of insanity as well. I think it was pretty obvious, but the jury deadlocked on the verdict. It wasn't until medical testing revealed a brain tumor that she was found not guilty.


Theodosia - Jul 26, 2006 12:15:02 pm PDT #8908 of 10002
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

IIRC, a study found that on average a commitment for mental illness will last longer than a plea bargain prison sentence or even one handed out by a jury. So it's a defense that will only be reluctantly pursued by a responsible lawyer, when they're convinced their client is, basically, stark raving and really needs regular medication, etc..

Don't even get me started on the horribleness of executing persons who have become so mentally ill that they have to be medicated just to be aware they're being killed.


Fred Pete - Jul 26, 2006 12:23:43 pm PDT #8909 of 10002
Ann, that's a ferret.

IIRC, a study found that on average a commitment for mental illness will last longer than a plea bargain prison sentence or even one handed out by a jury.

Merely anecdotal and not a study, but anyone else remember how upset people got when John Hinkley was found Not Guilty by reason of Insanity for shooting at Reagan? Note he's still in.

And the system let down Andrea Yates long before the children died. I get angry at Rusty because he was in the best position to do something, and he just made it worse.


Vortex - Jul 26, 2006 12:24:44 pm PDT #8910 of 10002
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Merely anecdotal and not a study, but anyone else remember how upset people got when John Hinkley was found Not Guilty by reason of Insanity for shooting at Reagan? Note he's still in.

yeah, but they keep trying to let him out. And the "unsupervised visit' bit is getting old.


brenda m - Jul 26, 2006 12:25:07 pm PDT #8911 of 10002
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Interesting similarities here, from that (horrific) article:

The defense faulted Schlosser's husband for not getting her adequate mental health treatment and also blamed [her pastor], who believes only God can cure mental illness.


Aims - Jul 26, 2006 12:26:43 pm PDT #8912 of 10002
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Heh. More proof that organized religion is BAD.

All hail the flying spaghetti monster!


bon bon - Jul 26, 2006 12:27:50 pm PDT #8913 of 10002
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

That Hinckley verdict led to lots of so-called insanity defense "reform."

ION, overheard in the office reminded me of ita today:

Office grunt #1: I hate all these fucking meetings!
Office grunt #2: Didn't you set this meeting up?
Office grunt #1: Yeah, but that's not the point.


brenda m - Jul 26, 2006 12:28:56 pm PDT #8914 of 10002
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

One of Rosalynn Carter's big causes [link] is the de-stigmatization of mental illness, which more and more seems like the root of so many avoidable tragedies.


sarameg - Jul 26, 2006 12:30:00 pm PDT #8915 of 10002

I got my dad the flying spaghetti monster book for a very belated father's day gift (I'd actually bought it long before but I suck and didn't mail it.) He kept reading parts of it outloud the whole vacation. Tried to get the nephew to chant "Oh Flying Spaghetti Monster" but said child shortened it to "NOODLES!"


JZ - Jul 26, 2006 12:32:11 pm PDT #8916 of 10002
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Heh. More proof that organized religion is BAD.

Bah. ::hugs own church, whose pastor is a licensed counselor finishing his doctorate in psychiatry at UC Berkeley::

::considers that being an MD/PhD psychiatrist makes him extra-extra-evil in the eyes of Scientologists::

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