Alpen:

It's extra pathetic that I know all that stuff and don't do it, isn't it? I've got no excuse but my taste buds. And lack of discipline.

Msbelle's right about the sugar. And just as different fruits deliver different nutrients, vegetables are working different stuff from fruit. Dietary fibre, iron, calcium, folic acid, and all that jazz.

Of course. I wasn't trying to say they are nutritionally identical, just that a balanced diet could be weighted more heavily with either and be OK. Depending on the details, of course.

GO DISCOVERY!

Fly, Big D. Fly.

I was surprised to find out no one wanted chcolate chip[ pancakes this morning.

good thing dh made a veggie frittat for this am. that is were veggies come from today

Sean must be talking about the shuttle launch. cool . even cooler is the fact that they did not keep DH down there just in case.

a balanced diet could be weighted more heavily with either and be OK

But in a different way from being weighted more heavily with meats or grains? I guess that's what I was harping on. They are both valuable, but not interchangeable--they just tend to get lumped together conversationally in ways that may percolate down to meal planning, but shouldn't at all.

My fruit consumption has been decent, and is now up to good (*much* less juice, and at least two pieces of fruit a day). My veggie consumption is pretty crap unless I'm eating off someone else's plate, or am at a shindig with a vegetable platter. And even then...I tend towards the fruits that call themselves veggies.

My mother wore her throat drying harping on this many years ago. I just...I just don't like them. And I have a tiny appetite, and have decided that calories are more important than getting many nutrients from their primary source.

Obviously I'm no nutritionist.

How much nutrition do they teach in schools in the US? Is it tested on? The sort of stuff that's easily forgotten long before you actually have to plan your own meals?

It occurs to me that university is a really good place to harp on that, for those that go. Someplace where food really starts to look like your own responsibility.

One of the courses my mother teaches at medical school is nutrition, and she gets students who gripe about having to learn that stuff. It's not just useful for doctors, dammit! It's useful for people. Doctors will just get the why of it more easily/in more detail.

I've come across some really strange blanks of knowledge (the guy eating donuts for breakfast who's asking me what sort of things he should do to lose weight--he ended up having lipo in his early 20s; or the spin instructor who thought he would be able to teach well during week 1 of Atkins) that I'm not sure if it was my mother, or school that gave me what I know. Or that it's just the dumb-about-it people that speak up the loudest and stick in my head.

clothes are drying, and the beginning of a large craigslist listing is stating to take shape. I figure, I'll put everything in one listing, like a moving sale and post it on Friday for Saturday and Sunday only pick-ups and see what sells.

also taking pictures and going to list ebay things tonight.

Those are 2 things I can do without much physical effort.

How much nutrition do they teach in schools in the US?

Essentially none.