I get confused. I remember everything. I remember too much, and... some of it's made up, and... some of it can't be quantified, and... there's secrets.

River ,'Safe'


Natter 45: Smooth as Billy Dee Williams.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Bob Bob - Jun 02, 2006 12:54:29 pm PDT #352 of 10002

Corwood Industries asked about Philosophy for Beginners. I have not read that book, but I have read others in the series, e.g., Kierkegaard for Beginners. The Kierkegaard one was funny and enjoyable to read, but made only the sparest of contact with anything resembling philosophical rigor. In my soon-to-be professional opinion (come on, December 2006!) I wouldn't start with this one. But like I said, I have read the Philosophy for Beginners one, and that might be different.


Bob Bob - Jun 02, 2006 1:06:00 pm PDT #353 of 10002

Oops. I should have said, "I have not read the Philosophy for Beginners one, and that one might be different."


Allyson - Jun 02, 2006 1:10:56 pm PDT #354 of 10002
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

bob bob!!!

Give me the definition of ethics and morals. I love this. pops corn

Think, by Simon Blackburn.

This sounds like a winner. If I know what the biases are walking in to it, it won't enrage me and make me toss the book against a wall.


Trudy Booth - Jun 02, 2006 1:12:52 pm PDT #355 of 10002
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Philosophy: The Basics, by Nigel Warburton.

Anyone else thinking "BIG BLUE PHILOSOPHICAL JUSTICE!"?


Topic!Cindy - Jun 02, 2006 1:18:39 pm PDT #356 of 10002
What is even happening?

Complete Idiot's Guide to Philosophy, by Jay Stephenson

I've heard of a lot of philosophers, but I've never heard of Jay Stephenson. I haven't heard any philosopher ever mention this book, and I don't think Stephenson teaches anywhere. I doubt it's horrible, but I can't tell you anything about this book.

Per the book reviews at Amazon [link] he doesn't appear to be a philosopher:

Jay Stevenson, Ph.D., teaches writing, cultural history, and theory at Rutgers University. He is coauthor of The Concise Guide to Grammar and The Concise Guide to Legal Terms, a contributor to both the North American Biography and International Biography series for Grolier, and has written extensively on philosophy, cultural history, technology, and literature. He is an internationally recognized authority on Margaret Cavendish, the first prominent female philosopher of the modern era. Dr. Stevenson resides in Piscataway, New Jersey. and Jay Stevenson received his Ph.D. in English literature from Rutgers University and currently works as a writer and editor in New Jersey. He is also an adjunct professor of reading at Rider University. His most recent books are The Complete Idiot’s Guide‚ to Eastern Philosophy, and The Complete Idiot’s Guide‚ to Angels. --This text refers to the Paperback edition.

Bob, do you know if Morris's For Dummies book has anything on Plantinga?

I was excited to read your comments on Sophie's World. It's been on my to-be-read shelf for too long.


bon bon - Jun 02, 2006 1:23:09 pm PDT #357 of 10002
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

anything on Plantinga

Bob loves Plantinga.


Liese S. - Jun 02, 2006 1:25:31 pm PDT #358 of 10002
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Yeah, this is great. I bookmarked the beginning of the whole discussion for later reference.


Bob Bob - Jun 02, 2006 1:26:55 pm PDT #359 of 10002

Bob, do you know if Morris's For Dummies book has anything on Plantinga?

According to the index on Amazon, he makes no reference to Plantinga, but I wouldn't be surprised if a reference didn't sneak in anyway, at least in a "further reading" section. Plantinga so thoroughly transformed philosophy of religion, and is such a massive presence at Notre Dame, that I doubt Morris failed to mention him. At the same time, while Plantinga is an elegant writer, much of what he discusses is at quite a high level of abstraction, so Morris might have refrained from mentioning him for that reason.


bon bon - Jun 02, 2006 1:30:32 pm PDT #360 of 10002
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Are you going to answer

Give me the definition of ethics and morals.

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Bob Bob - Jun 02, 2006 1:35:47 pm PDT #361 of 10002

Allyson wrote,

Give me the definition of ethics and morals

It's funny; the first and only time I heard about this distinction between ethics and morals was in the movie, "Election". I've never heard such a distinction brought up in a philosophy seminar, but I might have encountered it in a book somewhere.

Near as I can tell, though, the difference between ethics and morals is this:

Morals is a part of the subject matter of ethics. Morals concerns the following concepts: the obligatory, the permitted, and the forbidden. In the field of "normative ethics", much work is spent figuring out what kinds of actions are obligatory, permitted, or forbidden. (Note: only actions have the status of being obligatory, permitted, or forbidden. Thus, persons can't be forbidden, although some can be legally forbidden from entering a country; but obviously what's being forbidden in such a case is their act of entering the country, not the persons themselves.)

Ethics is much broader. It includes not only such questions as "what kinds of actions are permitted, forbidden, and obligatory?", but also, what kinds of states of affairs or people are good, bad, or indifferent? It might also concern questions like, "how can value--subjective or objective--exist in a world that is composed only of sub-atomic particles (or superstrings, or whatever)?" (such a question would belong to the domain of "meta-ethics") and questions like, "what is the meaning of the word, 'ought'?" (meta-ethics) or "What is a virtue?" (could belong either to normative or meta-ethics) or "when is it permitted for one country to go to war against another?" (applied ethics, but also a part of morality) Like I said, though, philosophers whom I know don't really ever distinguish between ethics and morals.