Simon: I'm trying to put this as delicately as I can... How do I know you won't kill me in my sleep? Mal: You don't know me, son. So let me explain this to you once: If I ever kill you, you'll be awake, you'll be facing me, and you'll be armed.

'Serenity'


The Minearverse 5: Closer to the Earth, Further from the Ax  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls, The Inside and Drive), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


victor infante - Nov 06, 2007 7:52:33 am PST #7560 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

I took the quote to mean underpaid. Though comparing screenwriters to teachers is like comparing apples and toasters.

This is true, but to expand, I took the quote to mean underpaid, especially considering the amount of money the industry makes.


Frankenbuddha - Nov 06, 2007 8:38:50 am PST #7561 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

This is true, but to expand, I took the quote to mean underpaid, especially considering the amount of money the industry makes.

Exactly how I took it, victor.


Pix - Nov 06, 2007 9:17:42 am PST #7562 of 10001
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie

I have to say, the "equivalent to a grade school teacher" is something that could totally piss me off out of context because (1)I am a grade school teacher (2) the implication is that the level of skill and professionalism necessary to write for TV is greater than the skill and professionalism necessary to teach (3) infers that teachers are less than writers, even though our education and professional credentialling requirements, particularly in california, rival that of other professions that require post-BA/BS work.

Regardless of how it was meant, I had exactly this reaction. But I am so sick in general of the use of the terms "schoolteacher" and "grade school teacher" because they are almost always used in a condescending manner. Teacher or educator, kthxbye.

I know that the statement is probably meant simply to emphasize how little writers, like teachers, make, but I can't help how it makes me feel.


Kat - Nov 06, 2007 9:24:59 am PST #7563 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Obvious, the reaction that I have is shaded by being a teacher.

And again, the quote is not necessarily a quote as it was in an unspecified article. Don't know the context.

I am having a hard time explaining it. If you say, "X job gets paid so little, almost as little as a teacher" there are a couple of problems. The implication is both teachers are underpaid and that X job should be paid more than a teacher for a variety of reasons.

It's something that is tiresome to read when you are a teacher. But writing this all out, it makes me feel like the caveman from the Geico commercials complaining to his therapist.


victor infante - Nov 06, 2007 9:30:39 am PST #7564 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

It's something that is tiresome to read when you are a teacher. But writing this all out, it makes me feel like the caveman from the Geico commercials complaining to his therapist.

Well, here's this: I make a tad less in journalism than the average WGA writer (going by the $50K average) even though I'm in a flailing industry and TV and film, despite having problems, is still immensely profitable. I would expect if newspapers made a lot more money, to make a bit more myself, and I'm sure my union would agree.

The probelm with comparing any profession to teachers is that teachers' pay isn't (and shouldn't be) linked directly to profit.


Daisy Jane - Nov 06, 2007 10:20:01 am PST #7565 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

BKV on the strike [link]


Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 06, 2007 11:58:44 am PST #7566 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

The probelm with comparing any profession to teachers is that teachers' pay isn't (and shouldn't be) linked directly to profit.

There's also the fact that there have to be a huge number of teachers per capita compared to professions that pay well, like doctors or lawyers. Education is in the same ballpark of importance as medical care, but one GP can serve hundreds of patients, whereas I'm dubious about even the best teachers being able to teach effectively if they're given more than 30 students in a class.


le nubian - Nov 06, 2007 12:10:45 pm PST #7567 of 10001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

as well you should be dubious. Plenty of literature support small class sizes - especially for elementary grades.


Pix - Nov 06, 2007 12:15:21 pm PST #7568 of 10001
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie

According to most research, the ideal class size is about 16.


Rick - Nov 06, 2007 12:35:56 pm PST #7569 of 10001

I understand the teachers’ irritation at always being the benchmark for low pay (I'm a teacher myself), but you can see why it's a good rhetorical device. If you say “equivalent to a teacher” you automatically carry the emotional meaning of “absurdly underpaid given the training, skills, and positive impact that the person has.”

That’s why they don’t say “equivalent to a long-time GM assembly line worker” or “equivalent to a guy who takes tickets on the Washington State Ferry system,” even though those might be equally correct from a purely factual point of view. Hell, those people may be underpaid too. But you can’t be guaranteed that your audience will know it in their heart the moment that they read it.