I'm not making a judgment call. I'm just having thoughts. I don't think anyone has said "this show will suck" or "I will not watch this show."
There are cockroaches in Mexico big enough to own property.
Cordelia ,'Lessons'
The Minearverse 5: Closer to the Earth, Further from the Ax
[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls, The Inside and Drive), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.
Dana - Nov 01, 2007 8:24:35 am PDT #7260 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
P.M. Marc - Nov 01, 2007 8:25:40 am PDT #7261 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
I think I'd like to, you know, see something before I make a judgment call on this premise.
Eh, I just like to have a starting baseline going in, y'know? That way, I'm not blindsided by Feminist Rage Issues like I was with Heroes. I can set my expectations to low, and be pleased whenever it exceeds them.
§ ita § - Nov 01, 2007 8:28:20 am PDT #7262 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I don't see anything wrong with the premise, though. It's fear of its implementation--that it skews female and sexual and exploitative, which has *not* been stated--that people seem to be reacting to.
Kristen - Nov 01, 2007 8:32:40 am PDT #7263 of 10001
I don't see anything wrong with it either but I'm pretty sure what started us down this path was
I have to say I'm dubious about the premise of the show.
which was why I chose that word.
As to the implementation, I'm going to wait and see. Maybe it'll be the new BtVS kind of show. Maybe it'll be Bionic Woman. I just don't know.
Kevin - Nov 01, 2007 8:40:42 am PDT #7264 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.
Bionic Woman that doesn't suck? I'm in.
Rick - Nov 01, 2007 9:02:56 am PDT #7265 of 10001
I’m with Fay. Can it really be an accident that the title and the theme of developing self-awareness parallel Ibsen so well?
A little blonde girl who kills all of the monsters is a good premise. But she had superpowers thrust upon her. A woman who overcomes major obstacles to self-awareness and self-expression through her own perception, intelligence, and determination could be good too. Something for those who don't have superpowers.
jengod - Nov 01, 2007 9:03:01 am PDT #7266 of 10001
I don't know anything about feminism, other than I'm a feminist woman, but I don't think Joss Whedon belongs very high on anyone's list of chauvinist pigs. I mean, we should be so lucky to live in a world full of men that share Joss' issues with womankind.
sumi - Nov 01, 2007 9:03:46 am PDT #7267 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!
Fay! My first thought was Ibsen too!
Possibly because I've never heard of the other one.
hippocampus - Nov 01, 2007 9:09:41 am PDT #7268 of 10001
not your mom's socks.
Without going full pollyanna, I'm excited about another show. The fact that it has caught our attention this much already should say something. The fact that there are some obvious stereotypes and mistreatments that could be written beyond or through should say something. The fact that I am more worried about what happens if concept control passes from Joss & Tim to, say, the studio, should say something.
Not to mention the fact that we get to play with Gibson and Ibsen in the same sentence... [Gi]bsn.
Kristen - Nov 01, 2007 9:11:25 am PDT #7269 of 10001
My first thought was Ibsen too!
My first thought was shoes. But that's just how I roll.