Wesley: Illyria can be...difficult. Testing her might be hard without getting someone seriously hurt. Angel: We'll make Spike do it. Wesley: Good.

'Underneath'


The Minearverse 5: Closer to the Earth, Further from the Ax  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls, The Inside and Drive), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


DavidS - Nov 01, 2007 6:25:49 am PDT #7228 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

When they run a blurb in Maxim about this show, the readers there aren't going to be thinking, "Hmmm, that's really an incisive metaphor about how young actresses are treated in Hollywood."

Also: the name of the show screams exploitation. The Big Dollhouse is an exemplar of the women-in-prison movie and in the movie Walk on the Wild Side the Dollhouse is the whorehouse. There may be boy dolls but that isn't the implication of the title. Doll Squad wasn't about GI Joe.

Also: after the Buffybot, and whasshername, Katrina? Warren's ex that the Trio mind controlled, and Mr. Universe's sexbot I'm getting kind of suspicious about this corner of Joss' psyche.

I trust that Joss and Tim are fantastic writers and directors, and that Eliza is a very talented and charismatic actress. But I think people are going to gag on the premise. You're going to see a real backlash from people like Stephanie Zacharek.


§ ita § - Nov 01, 2007 6:27:46 am PDT #7229 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Hec do you have qualms about the premise, or qualms about how other people will react to the premise? I had thought the former, but your next post reads more like the latter.


Wolfram - Nov 01, 2007 6:29:54 am PDT #7230 of 10001
Visilurking

Without knowing anything else, the title Buffy the Vampire Slayer sounds like a sexploitation B horror movie too.

Book and cover.


Kevin - Nov 01, 2007 6:37:55 am PDT #7231 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

I'm pretty sure the title kept Buffy out the mainstream, though, which I'm sure FOX want. Yep, I managed to get to 4pm before getting negative.


lisah - Nov 01, 2007 6:39:15 am PDT #7232 of 10001
Punishingly Intricate

sounds a lot like Molly's backstory in Neuromancer?

Yes. thank you I've been trying to think of that all morning but clearly my brain got damaged last night (I just read that for the first time a couple of months ago).

Regardless of how the premise will be received I'm excited to see what Joss & co. will do to twist it and defy people's expectations.


Topic!Cindy - Nov 01, 2007 6:40:01 am PDT #7233 of 10001
What is even happening?

So I get Miracle Man and a Joss/Tim/Eliza project. This isn't b.org; it's heaven.

I love the premise, becaues it sounds like the story is about Eliza's character's waking up to the ways in which she's exploited. Go get 'em, Tim and Joss. I'll be sitting here in the corner weeping with joy.


Kevin - Nov 01, 2007 6:42:09 am PDT #7234 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

*Sits with Topic!Cindy*


DavidS - Nov 01, 2007 6:42:24 am PDT #7235 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Hec do you have qualms about the premise, or qualms about how other people will react to the premise? I had thought the former, but your next post reads more like the latter.

Both. Though I'm fairly certain that Joss and Tim and Eliza combined will turn out interesting stories that are more than Maxim beat off material. However, I do think Joss has kind of a tin ear for how certain things will ping (Seeing Red, Dead Lesbian Cliches) and I think the immediate response to the show in the media will be to the iconography.

People who are used to seeing Buffy in a power stance or Zoe with a gun and holster are going to see Echo in a passive role without any agency. Even her name reflects that she doesn't have her own voice.

Particularly since he's created such strong women characters before, I think you'll see people feeling betrayed. Because it does come wrapped in a lot of exploitation/porn vibe.


jengod - Nov 01, 2007 6:44:02 am PDT #7236 of 10001

I'm super excited about both; I went back and reread the article in the Hollywood Reporter about Miracle Man (not to be confused with Miracles), and it sounds just plain delightful. Not least because I'm reading MFK Fisher right now, and she's from Whittier, and I think Tim's from Whittier, and he says that'll be all influential and stuff. Either way, times are of the good.

P.S. K-Ville? No wonder you wanted a dinghy!


Ginger - Nov 01, 2007 6:50:29 am PDT #7237 of 10001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Not least because I'm reading MFK Fisher right now, and she's from Whittier, and I think Tim's from Whittier, and he says that'll be all influential and stuff.

I'm a pretty obsessed MFK Fisher fan. I wouldn't say I talk about her a lot, but when she died, three different friends called me to give their condolences and see if I was okay.